It sounds extremely unwell. Very reminiscent of the 2015 Honda when it was spitting the dummy. The same sputtering and definite misfires going on there when it shouldn't be. Hopefully all software related!
Striking resemblance to Jerez 2015 ^
I doesn't sound anything like the Honda beyond the common denominator that is a 1.6L V6. The Mercedes in the Alpine sounds exactly the same today.
Can you just stop with the dooming nonsense? They had 4 years to develop this engine, and V6 turbo is not a new thing anymore. Both Ford and Red Bull's Ben Hodginson said they already hit their internal performance targets. But some people still think it will be like Honda in 2015. Based on what? Low rev engine sounds?
Some people do thrive on dooming nonsens, while some thrive on negativity, but even on a mostly technical forum, all that produces klicks or whatever it is called.
Can you just stop with the dooming nonsense? They had 4 years to develop this engine, and V6 turbo is not a new thing anymore. Both Ford and Red Bull's Ben Hodginson said they already hit their internal performance targets. But some people still think it will be like Honda in 2015. Based on what? Low rev engine sounds?
We're here to make our own judgements and discuss things, including our own observations and comparisons, particularly as we are slowly but surely learning more and more about these cars through sightings, videos, official tid-bits, etc. I'm not sure what dooming nonsense you're talking about
Can you just stop with the dooming nonsense? They had 4 years to develop this engine, and V6 turbo is not a new thing anymore. Both Ford and Red Bull's Ben Hodginson said they already hit their internal performance targets. But some people still think it will be like Honda in 2015. Based on what? Low rev engine sounds?
We're here to make our own judgements and discuss things, including our own observations and comparisons, particularly as we are slowly but surely learning more and more about these cars through sightings, videos, official tid-bits, etc. I'm not sure what dooming nonsense you're talking about
They did 3 installation laps yesterday to prepare for the filming day. It was the first ever driven lap for the new PU. The operating parameters are unknown but definitely very selective and not full beans laps. That's why they are called installation laps. Yet it's already being compared to Honda 2015. This is specious at best...you know that
Can you just stop with the dooming nonsense? They had 4 years to develop this engine, and V6 turbo is not a new thing anymore. Both Ford and Red Bull's Ben Hodginson said they already hit their internal performance targets. But some people still think it will be like Honda in 2015. Based on what? Low rev engine sounds?
We're here to make our own judgements and discuss things, including our own observations and comparisons, particularly as we are slowly but surely learning more and more about these cars through sightings, videos, official tid-bits, etc. I'm not sure what dooming nonsense you're talking about
They did 3 installation laps yesterday to prepare for the filming day. It was the first ever driven lap for the new PU. The operating parameters are unknown but definitely very selective and not full beans laps. That's why they are called installation laps. Yet it's already being compared to Honda 2015. This is specious at best...you know that
I don't deny that, and the comparison to a sound doesn't make it a dooming thing. It's comparison
It sounds extremely unwell. Very reminiscent of the 2015 Honda when it was spitting the dummy. The same sputtering and definite misfires going on there when it shouldn't be. Hopefully all software related!
Striking resemblance to Jerez 2015 ^
I doesn't sound anything like the Honda beyond the common denominator that is a 1.6L V6. The Mercedes in the Alpine sounds exactly the same today.
Lmao nice. Those two videos in my reply, to me after watching both... in full, there are obvious similarities in the general running of the thing early on. Sputtering all over the place, not specifically the tone (2015 was using a log manifold). And if you think the Alpine sounds exactly the same.. Give the VCARB a listen below. It was definitely running with a stranger note to it.
Anyway, the newer videos coming out of the following day, the engine sounds drastically cleaner. As mentioned, looks like a lot of software clean-up has gone on. Sounding stronger.
We're here to make our own judgements and discuss things, including our own observations and comparisons, particularly as we are slowly but surely learning more and more about these cars through sightings, videos, official tid-bits, etc. I'm not sure what dooming nonsense you're talking about
They did 3 installation laps yesterday to prepare for the filming day. It was the first ever driven lap for the new PU. The operating parameters are unknown but definitely very selective and not full beans laps. That's why they are called installation laps. Yet it's already being compared to Honda 2015. This is specious at best...you know that
I don't deny that, and the comparison to a sound doesn't make it a dooming thing. It's comparison
Exactly. No one is predicting a Honda 2015 season lol. It's sound comparison early on in development. It's exciting. Plenty of "unhappy with their lives" types, keen to flame without actually using any sense of critical thinking and remembering it's a discussion board lol. There are opinions flying around. But can't say it's surprising these days though.
Turbo lag is nearly not affected by intake plenum / piping volume, but the inertia of the rotating components of the turbo.
A 1.6 engine at 11.000 rpm ingests 146,7 litres of air per second (at whatever boost you can or want put it). Not a big problem to have 10 or 20 litres of piping to fill.
While the engine stays above turbo threshold rpms (minimum rpm at which the turbo generates a positive feedback of air flow into and out of the engine) intake volume is a minor contributor to lag (being lag the time lapse between stepping on the throttle and getting the full achievable torque at current rpms).
This. RPM sweep rate is likely over 2000rpm/s in lower gears. Then the whole thing has to change near instaniously at shift recovery.
Acceleration isn’t a straight line. Should be easy for people with data to figure out.
I'm sorry, but I'm not catching your point at all. What has to change? What do you mean by shift recovery?
Are you thinking that lag will or will not be important? What about turbo threshold?
Seriously, I feel so sorry, but I don't understand a thing, nor why you quoted me (possibly because I'm not fluent in english language / culture and there is something implicit that is flying over my head).
When a post or reply starts with the word "This", it means the poster agrees with what you said. I agree also so that makes two of us.
Are the engines doing harvesting off throttle? I thought that they can do that, if that is the case then the engine notes will be quite different to what we normally expect when off throttle.
Are the engines doing harvesting off throttle? I thought that they can do that, if that is the case then the engine notes will be quite different to what we normally expect when off throttle.
I think so. Have you listened to the video of the RB spin? (with Lindblad?) Sounds like too much MGUK kicking in with very little grip.
This. RPM sweep rate is likely over 2000rpm/s in lower gears. Then the whole thing has to change near instaniously at shift recovery.
Acceleration isn’t a straight line. Should be easy for people with data to figure out.
I'm sorry, but I'm not catching your point at all. What has to change? What do you mean by shift recovery?
Are you thinking that lag will or will not be important? What about turbo threshold?
Seriously, I feel so sorry, but I don't understand a thing, nor why you quoted me (possibly because I'm not fluent in english language / culture and there is something implicit that is flying over my head).
When a post or reply starts with the word "This", it means the poster agrees with what you said. I agree also so that makes two of us.
I think that "this" (agreement) was the only part of the post that I understood.
Looks like they completed 33/40 laps at Imola. Lindblad went out late and did a 20+ lap stint as it was getting dark. No major issues with the PU. Unclear what the delay was about, some reporting bad weather, others saying there was a secondary issue with the new car.
Either way the engine seems to be working out of the box and was capable of putting consecutive laps on the board at the end of the day. They are officially out of Honda territory, though the ultimate performance and reliability of the engine is yet to be determined.
I doesn't sound anything like the Honda beyond the common denominator that is a 1.6L V6. The Mercedes in the Alpine sounds exactly the same today. 
