2026 Aston Martin Aramco Formula One Team

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Badger wrote:
20 Jan 2026, 19:59
diffuser wrote:
20 Jan 2026, 19:12
Not all lost .... The iron alloys specified in the rules include:
- AMS 6487
- 15 CDV6
- 42CrMo4
- X38CrMoV5-3

15CDV6 has a α (×10⁻⁶ /°C) of 11.5–12.5 about 35% lower than aluminum. Also 15CDV6 transfers heat 6 times slower than aluminum, therefore, it will run hotter than aluminum. So where an aluminum piston would run around 300C, a 15CDV6 would be near 360C.
| Material           | Hot CR for 16.0:1 cold CR |
| ------------------ | ------------------------- |
| Aluminum piston    | ~16.9–17.0                |
| 15CDV6 iron piston | ~16.6–16.7                |

It's still something.The regs also have the same restrictions on material for Crankshafts and rods. They do allow titanium for rods.

Cylinder heads and main static structure:
- Aluminum or iron‑based alloys.

Cylinder Head Specific Requirements:
- Only one cylinder head per bank is permitted.
- Each head must be made from a single piece of material (exceptions only for defined inserts).


Pretty much leaves you with monkeying around with aluminum head geometry to increase compression.
Again, much too high temperature. The expansion is a function of the average temperature across the whole length, not just the highest temperature spot. You'd do better by lowering the temperature and incorporating the con rod and cylinder head in your calculation. Those have more length to expand. I also believe the cylinder head can use aluminium.

The con rod is 120 mm, you can use 30 mm for the piston, and idk what the cylinder head is, at least a few cm. Say the alpha is on average 12 across the whole range, and the average temperature is 120 C.
The connecting rods will be soooo much cooler and likely made of titanium (Ti-6Al-4V) which has a heat expansion of 75% of 15CDV6.

Also I don't think the temps I mentioned are hot for F1, I think that's just normal temps at those spots.

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vas_04614 wrote:
20 Jan 2026, 07:29
Andy cowell saying issues need to resolved in press conference, so may not be strong enough at beginning of season engine wise!!
this is what andy cowell said. can you point it out to me where he says anything about having an engine that isnt strong enough?



"theres a huge amount of development and testing going on, both at silverstone and sakura, and weve set tough targets. we're really excited with this works partnership. this is a car thats been created between honda and aston martin, and weve set ourselves tough targets. we want to win. but we understand that f1 is the pinnacle of motorsport and its difficult, its challenging, and you focus on your issues. its very rare that engineering organizations celebrate victories in the factory, so we are working hard on all the issues we need to resolve, and we will go to barcelona and bahrain and learn about our car on the track. and then well end up at melborne at the first race. and its always a challenging time for a group of engineers, pulling an advanced technology machine together. getting it to perform well, getting it to be reliable. getting to the point where a driver can perform on the very edge of performance. but we are working well together, and we have that same sense of determination. its thoroughly enjoyable working with the honda engineers and its really exciting that the buzz in the silverstone campus thats come together over the past year, pulling together an adrian newey disigned, honda powered car is something that everyone is really revelling in. and looking forward to seeing it on the track in a few days time. so its a really exciting time for us."

i understand that there are a lot of people in here that dont use english as their first language. but cowell isnt sayiing anything different than every other power unit supplier is right now.
every supplier has issues, and they will all be working right up to the first race to get the issues ironed out.

but andy cowell DIDNT just go to the honda press event, and tell everyone that hondas new power unit probably wont be strong enough.. sorry, that didnt happen.

just clearing that up because now there are 5 other people posting that andy cowell said they are going to have a bad start, when he really didnt haha

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Some people probably focus on "...so we are working hard on all the issues we need to resolve", but that is just engineering talk. There is always room for improvement, and they would be idiots if they were to say they are extremely happy with the engine and have nothing to work on, and then in the first race they are behind. Always under promise and over deliver.

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It's sensational press looking for any and every reason to work you up and to click on an article that they likely had AI write for them.
Honda!

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I was not expecting Honda to unveil new 'Company Logo' during engine reveal. They are taking this partnership seriously; will not leave any stone unturn to build high performance engine.

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Just for info, the new logo is not F1-specific, or unveiled there, it was already on the Honda 0 Series EV road car prototypes, then they decided to adopt it company-wide.

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Not heard much from the team lately, most of the teams have already made use of the filming day, barring Merc (should do it probably today) and Ferrari (hopefully tomorrow), This leaves Mcl who already reported to be delayed for the shakedown skipping day 1 and 2, Williams no idea and RBR no idea... seems concerning..

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Why they use 'Sky Blue-Purple' instead of 'AM Green' background during engine launch? any idea?

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collindsilva wrote:
22 Jan 2026, 09:37
Not heard much from the team lately, most of the teams have already made use of the filming day, barring Merc (should do it probably today) and Ferrari (hopefully tomorrow), This leaves Mcl who already reported to be delayed for the shakedown skipping day 1 and 2, Williams no idea and RBR no idea... seems concerning..
I actually do not mind that Aston Martin is one of the last teams to film because that extra week or two spent on design makes up for some of the eight weeks that Newey lost.

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I personally don't believe in Aston Martin, and even less in Honda. They already held an engine event, without a single smile, and were already talking about the long term. Both have a terrible track record at the start of regulations, and Aston Martin's recent history is even worse. My only glimmer of hope that this isn't a joke is Newey.

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Rikrikrik wrote:
23 Jan 2026, 01:21
I personally don't believe in Aston Martin, and even less in Honda. They already held an engine event, without a single smile, and were already talking about the long term. Both have a terrible track record at the start of regulations, and Aston Martin's recent history is even worse. My only glimmer of hope that this isn't a joke is Newey.
Newey role at AM now involve being a technical partner and team principal. He will need management skills now not just technical.

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Badger wrote:
11 Jan 2026, 18:52
madridista wrote:
11 Jan 2026, 18:02
Some days ago Planetf1 published an article where they recycled some quote from Krack from pre season 2025 and claimed that they spoke to him recently and that its about 2026

--->https://www.planetf1.com/news/aston-mar ... erstanding

The one you posted seems to be another such case, where the quote is not from something recent or them speaking to Stroll personally but from an interview in early 2025, or just straight up made up because i couldnt find anyhting about it.


This is what stroll actually said in March 2025
“We have all the tools, pieces of the puzzle coming together to be a front running team. Now we just got to get it done,” he said. “Everyone wants that to happen overnight. Does it happen overnight? No. How quickly does it happen? No one has an answer that question. It’s just, you know, we just gotta push as hard as we can. Keep grinding every day.”
https://www.australianjewishnews.com/st ... -together/
The quote I posted comes from a far more recent interview.
Stroll’s comments come after Honda became the first manufacturer to release images of its new power unit for 2026 on Friday.
And why would PlanetF1 put themselves into lawsuit territory by making up statements from Lance Stroll? :lol: Don't be ridiculous. The interview you posted contains none of the same quotes, you are just avoiding contending with the subject matter.

No need to get emotional.

I inserted the quote not because it is supposed to be the same one as the one from your interview, but rather because it contradicts it. As time passes, you would expect the tools to get better and not worse, especially after a year. If you followed the recent pr narrative/setting from them (from AM), you would notice that they have been saying that they have all the tools now but dont know how long it will take until they start winning.

I wonder where they found Stroll ( be it Son or father) at the start of January, and get him to do an exclusive interview practically a month before barcelona testing even started, and get him to talk about where they are gonna stand.
The guy who wrote the article pumped out 7 different articles in the span of 24 hours that day. There is nothing defamatory or damaging to their image so there would be limited interest for pursuing a lawsuit if it was fake i think.
Your last question is obsolete, as thats all what these outlets are about, generating reach and growing.

I think a bit of healthy skepticism and applying problem solving has never done much damage to anyone.

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madridista wrote:
23 Jan 2026, 11:12
No need to get emotional.

I inserted the quote not because it is supposed to be the same one as the one from your interview, but rather because it contradicts it. As time passes, you would expect the tools to get better and not worse, especially after a year. If you followed the recent pr narrative/setting from them (from AM), you would notice that they have been saying that they have all the tools now but dont know how long it will take until they start winning.

I wonder where they found Stroll ( be it Son or father) at the start of January, and get him to do an exclusive interview practically a month before barcelona testing even started, and get him to talk about where they are gonna stand.
The guy who wrote the article pumped out 7 different articles in the span of 24 hours that day. There is nothing defamatory or damaging to their image so there would be limited interest for pursuing a lawsuit if it was fake i think.
Your last question is obsolete, as thats all what these outlets are about, generating reach and growing.

I think a bit of healthy skepticism and applying problem solving has never done much damage to anyone.
Getting emotional would be insinuating that a quote you don’t want to acknowledge may be fake. It’s not serious.

The quote I referenced is far more recent than the stories that you provided. Recency matters because it may give a clue as to the team’s state of mind right now, just before launch, as opposed to one year ago. This sport moves fast and a lot changes have been happening at Aston Martin.

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Dan Fallows to Racing Bulls according to the moving staff topic

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Aston to sit out the first day of the test, still yet to confirm if they will be running during the 5 days.