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AR3-GP wrote:
28 Jan 2026, 01:22
I think I understand how Mercedes will adjust the front wing angle (for the balance adjustments, not the active aero). There's a hole on top of the nose. Tool inserted here to adjust the wing angle.

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does that wing have negative angle of attack when flipped open?

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Another thing that can be seen really well in this angle is how the deflector at the bottom of the brake tin directs the tire wake through the slots of the bargeboard.

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AR3-GP wrote:
28 Jan 2026, 01:52
Another thing that can be seen really well in this angle is how the deflector at the bottom of the brake tin directs the tire wake through the slots of the bargeboard.

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They've used components in that area in the past to keep the tire squirt from being sucked into the front floor area.
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Except for the nose-cone attaching on the 2nd element, I think it's also interesting how Mercede's top flap is also relatively "linear". What I mean is that if you compare it to the top flap of RedBull, Ferrari and especially McLaren, they all have this parabolic shape with a "dimple" focused on the outer edge close(r) to the endplates.

Basically, the Mercedes front wing seems to be generating less upwash.

Considering that the front wing shapes pretty much everything that goes on downstream, it seems like Mercedes is doing things quite differently to the others.

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The floor front 'daggers' - do they have any other purpose other than to send energizing vortices under the floor ? Is there any scope for 'outwash vortices' like the ground effect era floor front strakes did ?

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venkyhere wrote:
29 Jan 2026, 13:23
The floor front 'daggers' - do they have any other purpose other than to send energizing vortices under the floor ? Is there any scope for 'outwash vortices' like the ground effect era floor front strakes did ?
They do work in tandem with the "mini diffuser" behind the "bargeboards" (short curled up edge section of the floor... also, they used to have flow conditioning devices roughly around the place of the new "bargeboards" pre-2022, but we didn't identify them as such, they were the "floor/sidepod fences", but I digress...), but they don't extend beneath the floor itself, so the magnitude of their outwash effect is diminishingly small compared to what it was from 2022 to 2025 with the underside strakes.

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So I had a thought, with all the mechanicals in the front wing now, how difficult will it be to swap out a front wing when damaged. And when damaged will it have a larger effect going forward until it is changed out.
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HungarianRacer wrote:
29 Jan 2026, 13:36
venkyhere wrote:
29 Jan 2026, 13:23
The floor front 'daggers' - do they have any other purpose other than to send energizing vortices under the floor ? Is there any scope for 'outwash vortices' like the ground effect era floor front strakes did ?
They do work in tandem with the "mini diffuser" behind the "bargeboards" (short curled up edge section of the floor... also, they used to have flow conditioning devices roughly around the place of the new "bargeboards" pre-2022, but we didn't identify them as such, they were the "floor/sidepod fences", but I digress...), but they don't extend beneath the floor itself, so the magnitude of their outwash effect is diminishingly small compared to what it was from 2022 to 2025 with the underside strakes.
Possibly to control entry shear in yaw flow situation, in providing consistency from there backward.

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2021 SPWB wrote:
29 Jan 2026, 14:49
So I had a thought, with all the mechanicals in the front wing now, how difficult will it be to swap out a front wing when damaged. And when damaged will it have a larger effect going forward until it is changed out.
You could have the front wing be connected with electrical pins that can allow you to swap it out even if their's damage. My thought at least.

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SB15 wrote:
29 Jan 2026, 16:05
2021 SPWB wrote:
29 Jan 2026, 14:49
So I had a thought, with all the mechanicals in the front wing now, how difficult will it be to swap out a front wing when damaged. And when damaged will it have a larger effect going forward until it is changed out.
You could have the front wing be connected with electrical pins that can allow you to swap it out even if their's damage. My thought at least.
That would make the most sense. You may still lose the front DRS, so you may have to replace the wing even for small contacts, while before you could keep going.

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Farnborough wrote:
29 Jan 2026, 14:55
HungarianRacer wrote:
29 Jan 2026, 13:36
venkyhere wrote:
29 Jan 2026, 13:23
The floor front 'daggers' - do they have any other purpose other than to send energizing vortices under the floor ? Is there any scope for 'outwash vortices' like the ground effect era floor front strakes did ?
They do work in tandem with the "mini diffuser" behind the "bargeboards" (short curled up edge section of the floor... also, they used to have flow conditioning devices roughly around the place of the new "bargeboards" pre-2022, but we didn't identify them as such, they were the "floor/sidepod fences", but I digress...), but they don't extend beneath the floor itself, so the magnitude of their outwash effect is diminishingly small compared to what it was from 2022 to 2025 with the underside strakes.
Possibly to control entry shear in yaw flow situation, in providing consistency from there backward.
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these look like ground effect era style 'strakes' meant to channel the air during yaw. I am guessing that these are turning from x-y direction to x direction (rather than x-y to y for floor edge vortex in the ground effect era) as we move from front to rear on the floor. I wonder whether all/some of the other teams are doing this.