2026 Mercedes-AMG Petronas F1 Team

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the EDGE wrote:
29 Jan 2026, 15:58
SB15 wrote:
29 Jan 2026, 15:51
Badger wrote:
29 Jan 2026, 15:01
Mercedes have really embraced the "favourite" tag, leading session after session in both lap count and laptimes. But it may be giving a slightly false impression because it seems like all their main rivals have chosen to not show anything yet. I don't get the impression that McLaren, Red Bull, or Ferrari is struggling with anything in particular, certainly not like 2014, they just haven't gotten as far into their run plan.
I really don't like the "false impression", "testing means nothing", or "lap times in testing are meaningless" narrative. We've seen last year in Bahrain testing with the Mclaren's race pace was monumental while ending up dominating the first part of the season. In 2023, Redbull did a collected 400+ laps and clocked in the fastest lap with Sergio Perez and that car ended up dominating the entire season except for 1 race in Singapore, plus during that year the Aston Martin actually was performing quite well in testing and was better than expected during the first part of the season.

Let's also not forget in 2014 where the Mercedes engine was clearly the most reliable of the entire grid and the team logged in the most laps on the final day where "unsurprisingly" dominated the whole season.

I know the premise of false dawns and it's best to careful, and some teams aren't "showing their hand" which I completley agree with! But really we shouldn't conclusive to something that is "meaningless".

Mercedes doing a 200KM shakedown in the wet immediately after showing their car, and logging in the most laps with the fastest lap in the last 2 days of Barcelona testing, should not be understated. I don't think this is the whole story for the W17, so we'll see in Bahrain how it goes.
Last year, Williams and Ferrari set the fastest times, & Mercedes, Hass and racing balls covered the most laps separated by just 4

Where did that get them?
I said "Mclaren's race pace" was monumental. Nothing else mattered but their long run data was something everyone took note of.

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SB15 wrote:
29 Jan 2026, 15:51
Badger wrote:
29 Jan 2026, 15:01
Mercedes have really embraced the "favourite" tag, leading session after session in both lap count and laptimes. But it may be giving a slightly false impression because it seems like all their main rivals have chosen to not show anything yet. I don't get the impression that McLaren, Red Bull, or Ferrari is struggling with anything in particular, certainly not like 2014, they just haven't gotten as far into their run plan.
I really don't like the "false impression", "testing means nothing", or "lap times in testing are meaningless" narrative. We've seen last year in Bahrain testing with the Mclaren's race pace was monumental while ending up dominating the first part of the season. In 2023, Redbull did a collected 400+ laps and clocked in the fastest lap with Sergio Perez and that car ended up dominating the entire season except for 1 race in Singapore, plus during that year the Aston Martin actually was performing quite well in testing and was better than expected during the first part of the season.

Let's also not forget in 2014 where the Mercedes engine was clearly the most reliable of the entire grid and the team logged in the most laps on the final day where "unsurprisingly" dominated the whole season.

I know the premise of false dawns and it's best to careful, and some teams aren't "showing their hand" which I completley agree with! But really we shouldn't conclusive to something that is "meaningless".

Mercedes doing a 200KM shakedown in the wet immediately after showing their car, and logging in the most laps with the fastest lap in the last 2 days of Barcelona testing, should not be understated. I don't think this is the whole story for the W17, so we'll see in Bahrain how it goes.
And let's not forget who led Barcelona testing in 2022...

I'm not saying that early testing doesn't matter, it does. But what it matters most for is exposing fatal flaws, not anointing winners. And from what we've seen so far none of the top teams seem to have fatal flaws, in that sense it's very much NOT like 2014.

As for the laptimes how much can we read into a low 1:17 when we haven't seen the other teams doing the same type of runs? Not much. Merc is ahead in the run plan, Ferrari and McLaren are only on their second day, and Red Bull is not on track today. After tomorrow we will have a better picture of what these lap times mean, because someone is going to push for a bit of performance besides just Merc.

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SB15 wrote:
29 Jan 2026, 15:51
Badger wrote:
29 Jan 2026, 15:01
Mercedes have really embraced the "favourite" tag, leading session after session in both lap count and laptimes. But it may be giving a slightly false impression because it seems like all their main rivals have chosen to not show anything yet. I don't get the impression that McLaren, Red Bull, or Ferrari is struggling with anything in particular, certainly not like 2014, they just haven't gotten as far into their run plan.
I really don't like the "false impression", "testing means nothing", or "lap times in testing are meaningless" narrative. We've seen last year in Bahrain testing with the Mclaren's race pace was monumental while ending up dominating the first part of the season. In 2023, Redbull did a collected 400+ laps and clocked in the fastest lap with Sergio Perez and that car ended up dominating the entire season except for 1 race in Singapore, plus during that year the Aston Martin actually was performing quite well in testing and was better than expected during the first part of the season.

Let's also not forget in 2014 where the Mercedes engine was clearly the most reliable of the entire grid and the team logged in the most laps on the final day where "unsurprisingly" dominated the whole season.

I know the premise of false dawns and it's best to careful, and some teams aren't "showing their hand" which I completley agree with! But really we shouldn't conclusive to something that is "meaningless".

Mercedes doing a 200KM shakedown in the wet immediately after showing their car, and logging in the most laps with the fastest lap in the last 2 days of Barcelona testing, should not be understated. I don't think this is the whole story for the W17, so we'll see in Bahrain how it goes.
Testing can provide very good insights when you look at the available data objectively. In the last 10 years, we have generally had a pretty good idea on who was going to be at the top. If not 100% accurate, we could at the very least guess who would be towards the front of the pile.
However, the important bit to distinguish here is that you need the data in order to make these claims. Last year we literally had long run, stint and tire data that put McLaren as the team with the best race pace. It was tangible, with the usual caveats of not knowing how much everyone was holding back. But the signs were there.

This shakedown on the other hand is a completely closed off test where you can barely get a reliable lap count and tire information, let alone the rest of all the important stuff. If at Bahrain Mercedes shows that they're the clear best in comparable long run stints to the rest, then we will know with a higher degree of certainty on what to make of their performance.

From this test though? All we can know is that Mercedes is very reliable. You can't say with any degree of confidence on who is going to be at the top of the pecking order after this shakedown. What if Alpine goes tomorrow and sets a 1:16.5, will that change your perspective? These laptimes are acontextual because we know literally nothing about the circumstances in which they were set.

As for the bygone previous eras, when you mention 2014 in particular, they're completely irrelevant to how things are today. The sport is no longer the same and we have had 10 years of world development. Technology has moved on, the teams are better prepared.
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Badger wrote:
29 Jan 2026, 16:03
SB15 wrote:
29 Jan 2026, 15:51
Badger wrote:
29 Jan 2026, 15:01
Mercedes have really embraced the "favourite" tag, leading session after session in both lap count and laptimes. But it may be giving a slightly false impression because it seems like all their main rivals have chosen to not show anything yet. I don't get the impression that McLaren, Red Bull, or Ferrari is struggling with anything in particular, certainly not like 2014, they just haven't gotten as far into their run plan.
I really don't like the "false impression", "testing means nothing", or "lap times in testing are meaningless" narrative. We've seen last year in Bahrain testing with the Mclaren's race pace was monumental while ending up dominating the first part of the season. In 2023, Redbull did a collected 400+ laps and clocked in the fastest lap with Sergio Perez and that car ended up dominating the entire season except for 1 race in Singapore, plus during that year the Aston Martin actually was performing quite well in testing and was better than expected during the first part of the season.

Let's also not forget in 2014 where the Mercedes engine was clearly the most reliable of the entire grid and the team logged in the most laps on the final day where "unsurprisingly" dominated the whole season.

I know the premise of false dawns and it's best to careful, and some teams aren't "showing their hand" which I completley agree with! But really we shouldn't conclusive to something that is "meaningless".

Mercedes doing a 200KM shakedown in the wet immediately after showing their car, and logging in the most laps with the fastest lap in the last 2 days of Barcelona testing, should not be understated. I don't think this is the whole story for the W17, so we'll see in Bahrain how it goes.
And let's not forget who led Barcelona testing in 2022...

I'm not saying that early testing doesn't matter, it does. But what it matters most for is exposing fatal flaws, not anointing winners. And from what we've seen so far none of the top teams seem to have fatal flaws, in that sense it's very much NOT like 2014.

As for the laptimes how much can we read into a low 1:17 when we haven't seen the other teams doing the same type of runs? Not much. Merc is ahead in the run plan, Ferrari and McLaren are only on their second day, and Red Bull is not on track today. After tomorrow we will have a better picture of what these lap times mean, because someone is going to push for a bit of performance besides just Merc.
And I agree that we haven't seen the other teams hand, I'm not jumping to the "winner" title just yet until after the FP2 and Q3 in Melbourne, though that's what I believed last year from people saying testing is meanigless until Q3 and my pessimism about Mclaren's dominance ended up being correct.

But I agree it's best to wait until Bahrain!

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Emag wrote:
29 Jan 2026, 16:09
SB15 wrote:
29 Jan 2026, 15:51
Badger wrote:
29 Jan 2026, 15:01
Mercedes have really embraced the "favourite" tag, leading session after session in both lap count and laptimes. But it may be giving a slightly false impression because it seems like all their main rivals have chosen to not show anything yet. I don't get the impression that McLaren, Red Bull, or Ferrari is struggling with anything in particular, certainly not like 2014, they just haven't gotten as far into their run plan.
I really don't like the "false impression", "testing means nothing", or "lap times in testing are meaningless" narrative. We've seen last year in Bahrain testing with the Mclaren's race pace was monumental while ending up dominating the first part of the season. In 2023, Redbull did a collected 400+ laps and clocked in the fastest lap with Sergio Perez and that car ended up dominating the entire season except for 1 race in Singapore, plus during that year the Aston Martin actually was performing quite well in testing and was better than expected during the first part of the season.

Let's also not forget in 2014 where the Mercedes engine was clearly the most reliable of the entire grid and the team logged in the most laps on the final day where "unsurprisingly" dominated the whole season.

I know the premise of false dawns and it's best to careful, and some teams aren't "showing their hand" which I completley agree with! But really we shouldn't conclusive to something that is "meaningless".

Mercedes doing a 200KM shakedown in the wet immediately after showing their car, and logging in the most laps with the fastest lap in the last 2 days of Barcelona testing, should not be understated. I don't think this is the whole story for the W17, so we'll see in Bahrain how it goes.
Testing can provide very good insights when you look at the available data objectively. In the last 10 years, we have generally had a pretty good idea on who was going to be at the top. If not 100% accurate, we could at the very least guess who would be towards the front of the pile.
However, the important bit to distinguish here is that you need the data in order to make these claims. Last year we literally had long run, stint and tire data that put McLaren as the team with the best race pace. It was tangible, with the usual caveats of not knowing how much everyone was holding back. But the signs were there.

This shakedown on the other hand is a completely closed off test where you can barely get a reliable lap count and tire information, let alone the rest of all the important stuff. If at Bahrain Mercedes shows that they're the clear best in comparable long run stints to the rest, then we will know with a higher degree of certainty on what to make of their performance.

From this test though? All we can know is that Mercedes is very reliable. You can't say with any degree of confidence on who is going to be at the top of the pecking order after this shakedown. What if Alpine goes tomorrow and sets a 1:16.5, will that change your perspective? These laptimes are acontextual because we know literally nothing about the circumstances in which they were set.

As for the bygone previous eras, when you mention 2014 in particular, they're completely irrelevant to how things are today. The sport is no longer the same and we have had 10 years of world development. Technology has moved on, the teams are better prepared.
I would see the Redbull set a time 1:15's and I will still back off saying "how many laps were completed", "what did the long run data look like" and "what set of tyre were the set on" so no it wouldn't change my perspective.

I do agree that this is a shakedown test and shouldn't be taken as seriously as many of the analysts are saying, and it seems like Mercedes are being quite "careful" with their words and emotions even if they're looking quite good at the moment.

I'm waiting until Bahrain where the conditions are "ideal" for many cars to perform. It should be taken note of that the track temps are extremely low to the point where you're not getting any "meaningful" data and this is what Rob Marshall was discussing. But I disagree with Rob because "meaningful" data is getting many laps in no matter the conditions and you would like to see how your car perform in different scenarios.

It's cold and wet here in Barcelona, where it's hot and dry in Bahrain especially during the day time. So we'll see

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First lap under the 1:17s

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I'd say it is safe to say Mercedes will be competitive, but hard to say they'll be the best. We'll have a good idea of who'll be competitive after the next several tests.
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dren wrote:
29 Jan 2026, 17:08
I'd say it is safe to say Mercedes will be competitive, but hard to say they'll be the best. We'll have a good idea of who'll be competitive after the next several tests.
As an avid Mercedes supporter, this is scaring me! :?

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I think the program Merc is pulling with that fast and consistent long runs as well as now pulling fast laps...is different from the other teams. McLaren is inconclusive, but towards the rest, the Merc looks mighty.
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I am not sure they will be as fast as they look but they certainly have a good platform and baseline to work from this year unlike 2022. They will out-develop others over the year IMO if they start behind.
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George just lowered the laptime further and set a 1:16.6
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Emag wrote:
29 Jan 2026, 17:39
George just lowered the laptime further and set a 1:16.6
And lowered again.

Russell 1:16.445, 78 laps
Antonelli 1:17.081, 90 laps
Leclerc 1:18.223, 83 laps
Piastri 1:18.419, 48 laps
Lindblad 1:18.451, 47 laps
Hamilton 1:18.654, 87 laps
Lawson 1:18.840, 64 laps
Perez 1:21.024, 66 laps
Stroll 1:46.404, 5 laps

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zibby43 wrote:
29 Jan 2026, 19:42
Emag wrote:
29 Jan 2026, 17:39
George just lowered the laptime further and set a 1:16.6
And lowered again.

Russell 1:16.445, 78 laps
Antonelli 1:17.081, 90 laps
Leclerc 1:18.223, 83 laps
Piastri 1:18.419, 48 laps
Lindblad 1:18.451, 47 laps
Hamilton 1:18.654, 87 laps
Lawson 1:18.840, 64 laps
Perez 1:21.024, 66 laps
Stroll 1:46.404, 5 laps
It's only testing, nothing is conclusive! ...I think :wink: :D

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Are you a bit less confident after seeing that Aston Martin?
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