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Just watched the Kyle Engineers video, his usual high quality.
I did notice that when he was looking at the barge-board area that not only do they have the additional very low located slot at the rear, the whole of the footplate creates an additional lower element, I’m not sure that I have seen it that pronounced on others.

The whole footplate/barge-board thing reminds me a lot of the ‘infinity wings’ that are seen on Time Attack cars.
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vorticism wrote:
01 Feb 2026, 20:51
The lack of bodywork beneath the sidepods is remarkable. No other team has this. The width at the base of the sidepod is effectively the width of the fuel-cell/safety-cell/monocoque (note the vertical lines that descend directly from the halo mounts). Straight shot from the forward floor to the gap between the rear tyre and the diffuser. That gap can be seen from the front of the car. Straight groundline. I’ve highlighted it here.

A feat of packaging? Usually components are housed beneath the radiator ducting.
The sidepods on other cars are not squared off, or at least with a wider footprint because of "packaging solutions". I can speak more to the previous design regime/era, because we actually got to see how the front wing was used, and a few seasons of flo-vis and wet weather running... The reason wide sidepods became the "meta" was simple, the downforce, and aero engineering to get it, was ao much more consistent when the air could be channeled from higher up. They pushed the non-laminar flow from the front wings pressure differential outboard, or onto the wheels and up, or into the sidepods, basically anywhere to get rid of it. This is why the mercedes was a nightmare to setup in 2023 with the small sidepods. All it took was something as small as following in a car 2-3 seconds ahead, a tiny amount of floor damage, or just a miscalculation on balancing downforce, at some speeds, for it to start porpoising. The second the aero isnt exactly how you imagined it would be, youre chasing faeries trying to solve it.

Now the current regulations drop the importance of the floor, somewhat. Most importantly, the cars can ride higher, and wont be creating its own feedback loop of downforce increasing immensely as it gets close to the ground, etc. so this is absolutely a cool, interesting design, but... We are looking at it with a front wing that is basically in the Indy 500/low downforce config. And when the car is running a very low downforce front wing, its allowing a straight path to the tunnel, you're rewarded with a much less agitated flow, and its plausible the mid-floor and rear floor will generate more downforce. Quite probable, to be honest. This will also reduce drag somewhat, especially with the active front wings allowing the air a clear channel, something the front suspension chassis mounting points lead me to believe is a core concept here.

But things will definitely get complicated/complex in two situations. The most obvious is when theyre running on higher downforce tracks, and the sudden loss of higher pressure, laminar flow under the sidepods and on the floor, once the front wing element is producing full downforce. It will create a large low pressure area, at the front of the floor, and when the car needs front end grip and stable downforce, it may be difficult to set up the car to perform consistently. And multiply that problem by about 10 if they are also within a couple of seconds of another car in the corner.

Something i have been pondering for a few months now, is the benefits that could be gained from using the active front wing to basically make an absolute mess out of the airflow, to intentionally increase drag. Basically turning a low drag design in the straights, into a high drag design when brakes are applied, so the car can utilize not only the adhesion of the tires to slow down, but also turn the car into an air-brake. This has a couple obvious benefits. On a quali run, it might let a driver brake a few meters later... but more importantly, more air braking = less abused tires, and less heat going through them, and if there is one thing mclaren taught everyone last year, its that having tired that fall off a few laps slower than everyone else, is one hell of a cheat code. Anyways, the aston is the closest i have seen to something like an induced high drag design actually being done, although this is 100% speculation on the actual intent/theories being applied in this design.

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That would cause you to lose out on regen during braking.
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Lastminutepanic wrote:
02 Feb 2026, 13:55
vorticism wrote:
01 Feb 2026, 20:51
The lack of bodywork beneath the sidepods is remarkable. No other team has this. The width at the base of the sidepod is effectively the width of the fuel-cell/safety-cell/monocoque (note the vertical lines that descend directly from the halo mounts). Straight shot from the forward floor to the gap between the rear tyre and the diffuser. That gap can be seen from the front of the car. Straight groundline. I’ve highlighted it here.

A feat of packaging? Usually components are housed beneath the radiator ducting.
The sidepods on other cars are not squared off, or at least with a wider footprint because of "packaging solutions". I can speak more to the previous design regime/era, because we actually got to see how the front wing was used, and a few seasons of flo-vis and wet weather running... The reason wide sidepods became the "meta" was simple, the downforce, and aero engineering to get it, was ao much more consistent when the air could be channeled from higher up. They pushed the non-laminar flow from the front wings pressure differential outboard, or onto the wheels and up, or into the sidepods, basically anywhere to get rid of it. This is why the mercedes was a nightmare to setup in 2023 with the small sidepods. All it took was something as small as following in a car 2-3 seconds ahead, a tiny amount of floor damage, or just a miscalculation on balancing downforce, at some speeds, for it to start porpoising. The second the aero isnt exactly how you imagined it would be, youre chasing faeries trying to solve it.

Now the current regulations drop the importance of the floor, somewhat. Most importantly, the cars can ride higher, and wont be creating its own feedback loop of downforce increasing immensely as it gets close to the ground, etc. so this is absolutely a cool, interesting design, but... We are looking at it with a front wing that is basically in the Indy 500/low downforce config. And when the car is running a very low downforce front wing, its allowing a straight path to the tunnel, you're rewarded with a much less agitated flow, and its plausible the mid-floor and rear floor will generate more downforce. Quite probable, to be honest. This will also reduce drag somewhat, especially with the active front wings allowing the air a clear channel, something the front suspension chassis mounting points lead me to believe is a core concept here.

But things will definitely get complicated/complex in two situations. The most obvious is when theyre running on higher downforce tracks, and the sudden loss of higher pressure, laminar flow under the sidepods and on the floor, once the front wing element is producing full downforce. It will create a large low pressure area, at the front of the floor, and when the car needs front end grip and stable downforce, it may be difficult to set up the car to perform consistently. And multiply that problem by about 10 if they are also within a couple of seconds of another car in the corner.

Something i have been pondering for a few months now, is the benefits that could be gained from using the active front wing to basically make an absolute mess out of the airflow, to intentionally increase drag. Basically turning a low drag design in the straights, into a high drag design when brakes are applied, so the car can utilize not only the adhesion of the tires to slow down, but also turn the car into an air-brake. This has a couple obvious benefits. On a quali run, it might let a driver brake a few meters later... but more importantly, more air braking = less abused tires, and less heat going through them, and if there is one thing mclaren taught everyone last year, its that having tired that fall off a few laps slower than everyone else, is one hell of a cheat code. Anyways, the aston is the closest i have seen to something like an induced high drag design actually being done, although this is 100% speculation on the actual intent/theories being applied in this design.
So much speculation instead of the obvious and simple answer: They just did not had the finished wing and or mechanism ready for this test.

Also, I think, the front wing will be even more important this year. Because you can change it, and change the flow behind it, meaning, you can design the aero of the entire car for two different states or optimise it to something that was not the goal before.
For example the drag losses are more important this year then ever. So you can design the rest of the aero to the front wing open state. Because drag is a lot less important in slower corners.
You can be clever with everything behind the front wing, to work differently in two "states".
Also simply, it is 100% not true that you do not reduce drag with a movable front wing, so that is super important too.
Plus, it is even legal in 2026 not running an active front wing?

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sucof wrote:
02 Feb 2026, 21:15
Plus, it is even legal in 2026 not running an active front wing?
I guess there is no need to enforce this. Not having it would be suicide.
Apart from that I agree with you. Fully understanding the new trade-offs caused by active aero might be another exciting curveball.

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Taking into account the reports that rear tyre wear could be crucial for the new regulations (which makes sense, smaller rear tyres and massive MGUK torque), how big of a risk is that novel rear suspension setup? Or, alternatively, was it actually made to improve tyre wear?

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johnnycesup wrote:
03 Feb 2026, 02:32
Taking into account the reports that rear tyre wear could be crucial for the new regulations (which makes sense, smaller rear tyres and massive MGUK torque), how big of a risk is that novel rear suspension setup? Or, alternatively, was it actually made to improve tyre wear?
I wonder if that rear suspension is pushing the whole rear wing back at high speed. Also, tapping the rear wheels against a barrier could compromise the rear wing, gearbox (driveshaft), and chassis.
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sucof wrote:
02 Feb 2026, 21:15
Plus, it is even legal in 2026 not running an active front wing?
Interesting thought. What comes to mind is how much downforce is actually needed on the straights. reducing drag (and DF) will probably also mean reducing load on the tires and that may result in dropping tire temps. So one of my main questions is: is using the second front wing element as mounting point and thus only having the third element movable a tradeoff to not reduce downforce too much on the straights? Is this even significant enough to consider?
JonoNic wrote:
03 Feb 2026, 03:43
I wonder if that rear suspension is pushing the whole rear wing back at high speed.
The line between movable aero and a bit of elasticity in the chassis is proably very thin. Also the drag of the rear wing and thus the force that "pulls" it backwards will be reduced on the straights. So no, i don't think they designed it like this for a tilting rear wing, but to use the rear suspension as beam wing. Basically to help extract diffuser performance.

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Tzk wrote:
03 Feb 2026, 08:03
sucof wrote:
02 Feb 2026, 21:15
Plus, it is even legal in 2026 not running an active front wing?
Interesting thought. What comes to mind is how much downforce is actually needed on the straights. reducing drag (and DF) will probably also mean reducing load on the tires and that may result in dropping tire temps. So one of my main questions is: is using the second front wing element as mounting point and thus only having the third element movable a tradeoff to not reduce downforce too much on the straights? Is this even significant enough to consider?
JonoNic wrote:
03 Feb 2026, 03:43
I wonder if that rear suspension is pushing the whole rear wing back at high speed.
The line between movable aero and a bit of elasticity in the chassis is proably very thin. Also the drag of the rear wing and thus the force that "pulls" it backwards will be reduced on the straights. So no, i don't think they designed it like this for a tilting rear wing, but to use the rear suspension as beam wing. Basically to help extract diffuser performance.
I think your question is not for us but for the teams. They will see based on their data how much downforce reduction is optimal, and will create a wing to achieve that number.
Before the tests I did not realise that one of the main differentiator in this rule set will be the front wing and its movable aero. It affects the entire car in new ways and teams will have different interpretations, so could make some faster than the others by a lot.

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From the team thread, but some clues about the car from Newey's interview:

https://www.astonmartinf1.com/en-GB/new ... -open-mind
You get the feeling that might be a broader theme for this season: keeping minds open to what's available to take the most advantage as things evolve.

"Very much so. The AMR26 that races in Melbourne is going to be very different to the one people saw at the Barcelona Shakedown, and the AMR26 that we finish the season with in Abu Dhabi is going to be very different to the one that we start the season with.

"It's very important to keep an open mind."

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So what do you guys think about the Astons rear suspension, in regards of the rear wing?
Specifically, if the suspension movement affects the rear wing?
More or less downforce will push those 2 pylons together in different amounts, which could affect the wings position, or bend it in certain ways...?
And of course if it alters the wing, how would that be legal?

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Stu wrote:
02 Feb 2026, 12:25
...they have the additional very low located slot at the rear...
Achieved by the shortened topmost, front element; you'll notice it terminates right where the lower one begins. Up to three closed sections are permitted in that region. A good interpretation of the rules.
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To me it looks like Aston Martin uses a two part rear wing pylon design. There seems be to an edge visable just above where the suspension member meets the pylon. So they stack two pieces, possible made out of different materials.

My guess would be the upper part is carbon fibre and the lower part to which the suspension is attached is some sort of metal carbon laminate structure. Possibly with a titanium or magnesium core of either solid or hollow structure. This might be a part particulary suited for 3D printing. Wouldn't surprise me if the strong lower part actually goes underneath and around the exhaust pipe in some kind of U manner. I highly doubt they want the pylon to flex inboards or rearwards and mess with both the wing and suspension geometry. Too much trouble.

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I don´t think it brings structur problems, otherwise they wouldn´t do it. For the rear wing it has 0 effect. I think they done it to lift the lower suspension arm and keep the kinematic. Another thing is they can alter this mounting point very easily if they like.

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michl420 wrote:
05 Feb 2026, 18:53
I don´t think it brings structur problems, otherwise they wouldn´t do it. For the rear wing it has 0 effect. I think they done it to lift the lower suspension arm and keep the kinematic. Another thing is they can alter this mounting point very easily if they like.
Putting the suspension arms high up makes easier geometrically speaking to achieve a roll center equivalent or above the CG, hugely limiting the body roll, and providing a stable aero platform.