Honda Power Unit Hardware & Software

[FNTC]

Any links to where Honda is complaining??

I don't think they have complained publicly, it's all lobbying behind the scenes.

https://www.planetf1.com/news/christian ... s-red-bull

Audi, Honda, and Ferrari are all understood to have raised concerns to the governing body, triggering the initial meeting.

[mzso]

Had read that post, it was more than a month ago, i am afraid maybe Honda has missed the trick since they and Audi are looking for protest, Wazari San may be knowing the actual status, just trying to get some insider info

Only Audi people have been complaining about it explicitly in interviews. I think they are the only ones screwed.

[vorticism]

The two "horns" on the upper side are also striking. "The horn-like bulges are necessary because a standardised boost pressure sensor is required so that the FIA can monitor the maximum boost pressure," explains Kakuda. "For demonstration purposes, we mounted it where it is clearly visible."

Interesting choice for the photo op. It makes sense because the FIA did not previously monitor airflow, only fuel flow. So they're a new, major feature of the engines, hence, placed right at the top of the engine. These FIA sensors, according to me, appear to be an array of 3 or 4 hot wire anemometer pairs (per sensor), which act as MAF and MAP sensors. Where they will actually go on the charge pipe is probably up to the builders.

Maybe there's a separate MAP sensor, but they should be able to deduce both air density and air speed with these. Correct me if I'm wrong.

[AR3-GP]

To be honest, when you look where the suspension ties in, how slim you want things for aero, where else would you even put it?

In the RBPT virtual render, it is behind the engine.

[vorticism]

AMuS

[diffuser]

Any links to where Honda is complaining??

I don't think they have complained publicly, it's all lobbying behind the scenes.

https://www.planetf1.com/news/christian ... s-red-bull

Audi, Honda, and Ferrari are all understood to have raised concerns to the governing body, triggering the initial meeting.

So they have critical mass now to make changes.

[mzso]

So they have critical mass now to make changes.

AFAIK, that would require almost everyone FIA, FOM and most of the teams.
Anyway, this is based on the most unsubstantiated of rumors. Based on Wazari's comment Honda doesn't seem too concerned.

[Waz]

So they have critical mass now to make changes.

AFAIK, that would require almost everyone FIA, FOM and most of the teams.
Anyway, this is based on the most unsubstantiated of rumors. Based on Wazari's comment Honda doesn't seem too concerned.

This is surely a matter of the manufacturers, separately to teams. How else could you weight it to account for Mercedes having 4 customers and Honda only supplying 1?

[diffuser]

So they have critical mass now to make changes.

AFAIK, that would require almost everyone FIA, FOM and most of the teams.
Anyway, this is based on the most unsubstantiated of rumors. Based on Wazari's comment Honda doesn't seem too concerned.

Nope, the rules were changed from everyone having to be in agreement to a super majority (3 out of 4 makes that number).

[Snorked]

Seems like the engine is a dud.

Matteo Bobbi Sky F1 Italy, having spoken with the people at Aston Martin who say it’s really bad.

- Under powered
- Vibrations are breaking ancillaries
- Looking to utilise additional development and upgrade opportunities
- Honda working on a new PU for 2027

And now Stroll says they have problems with the engine.

It’s not sounding good.

[diffuser]

Seems like the engine is a dud.

Matteo Bobbi Sky F1 Italy, having spoken with the people at Aston Martin who say it’s really bad.

- Under powered
- Vibrations are breaking ancillaries
- Looking to utilise additional development and upgrade opportunities
- Honda working on a new PU for 2027

And now Stroll says they have problems with the engine.

It’s not sounding good.

You'd think the PU would have been on dynos for sometime now. You'd have to believe alot of this has to do with the installation into the chassis.

Unless there is a lock down on PU, PU teams are always working on building the next PU. There are always 2 teams within the team, one on this years PU and 1 on next years. The number of people working in those 2 projects changes throughout the year. At this time of year, the majority of the people are working on the current year. So it isn't out of the ordinary that teams have started moving people to next years project.

[mzso]

So they have critical mass now to make changes.

AFAIK, that would require almost everyone FIA, FOM and most of the teams.
Anyway, this is based on the most unsubstantiated of rumors. Based on Wazari's comment Honda doesn't seem too concerned.

Nope, the rules were changed from everyone having to be in agreement to a super majority (3 out of 4 makes that number).

But doesn't that still include all entities. FIA, FOM, teams, engine manufacturers? With I don't know how many votes assigned to each of them.
What are the exact rules for this?

[mzso]

Seems like the engine is a dud.

Matteo Bobbi Sky F1 Italy, having spoken with the people at Aston Martin who say it’s really bad.

- Under powered
- Vibrations are breaking ancillaries
- Looking to utilise additional development and upgrade opportunities
- Honda working on a new PU for 2027

And now Stroll says they have problems with the engine.

It’s not sounding good.

At least Stroll is a definite source. He doesn't care about anything (outside himself) to lie. However him saying, they don't have power and are off the pace doesn't mean much if they still test with capped power.
It would be really shameful if Red Bull squarely outperformed them.

[Bill]

Seems like the engine is a dud.

Matteo Bobbi Sky F1 Italy, having spoken with the people at Aston Martin who say it’s really bad.

- Under powered
- Vibrations are breaking ancillaries
- Looking to utilise additional development and upgrade opportunities
- Honda working on a new PU for 2027

And now Stroll says they have problems with the engine.

It’s not sounding good.

Gossip from Italians like Ferrari will win champ.they should elaborate which parts got broken because of vibrations. The media is biased ie merc is the greatest and some pu from far away land is always looked down upon. It's silly and its not news.

[diffuser]

AFAIK, that would require almost everyone FIA, FOM and most of the teams.
Anyway, this is based on the most unsubstantiated of rumors. Based on Wazari's comment Honda doesn't seem too concerned.

Nope, the rules were changed from everyone having to be in agreement to a super majority (3 out of 4 makes that number).

But doesn't that still include all entities. FIA, FOM, teams, engine manufacturers? With I don't know how many votes assigned to each of them.
What are the exact rules for this?

https://www.planetf1.com/news/mercedes- ... date-looms

Of the five PUMs, the FIA, and F1, a supermajority would pass if four PUMs, the FIA, and F1 are in agreement on any proposed solution that involves a rule change, meaning that any PUM that is running higher compression ratios above ambient temperatures would be in contravention of the immediately-revised technical regulations.