2026 Aston Martin Aramco Formula One Team

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SSJ4 wrote:
12 Feb 2026, 19:40
Marca reporting that cowell and newey clashed regarding the amr 26
We don't need a media outlet to tell us this.
Cowell getting 'moved aside' and Newey becoming TP so close to start of the '26 season itself was proof. No matter what PR excuse they gave (re-org, better optimization of staffing, better use of capabilites etc etc all the BS that their PR dept comes up with) , it was fairly obvious to a vast majority of us in the forum. It was a simple case of 'salaried employee' getting trampled by a 'partner' or trampled on his behalf by 'the big guy at the top'. Happens everywhere, no surprise.

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SirBastianVettel wrote:
12 Feb 2026, 19:43
SSJ4 wrote:
12 Feb 2026, 19:40
Marca reporting that cowell and newey clashed regarding the amr 26
Got some more details on that?
its just mostly generic stuff. he had his role changed when newey came in and did a clean sweep. they clashed regarding the amr 26 and thats he's leaving in june.

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4.5 seconds off the pace according to Stroll. Maybe Cowell's advice wasn't headed.

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Just a reminder this isn't the engine Honda will be racing with. They still haven't homologated their engines and the final engine and battery spec will only be fitted in Melbourne. There will be reliability issues but Honda is calming by then the engine will be 90% reliable. So lets see.
Halo not as bad as we thought

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Ashwinv16 wrote:
12 Feb 2026, 20:39
Just a reminder this isn't the engine Honda will be racing with. They still haven't homologated their engines and the final engine and battery spec will only be fitted in Melbourne. There will be reliability issues but Honda is calming by then the engine will be 90% reliable. So lets see.
I am willing to make a bet that the engine will be *that* bad this year. If they have so many small problems, you can't tell anyone that the engine will be good next month when this month is extremely underwhelming.

Development doesn't happen over night in F1 and no sane manufacturer goes to limited testing with their lesser spec engine because track testing is invaluable. Ask Honda and their oil pump.

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Ashwinv16 wrote:
12 Feb 2026, 20:39
Just a reminder this isn't the engine Honda will be racing with. They still haven't homologated their engines and the final engine and battery spec will only be fitted in Melbourne. There will be reliability issues but Honda is calming by then the engine will be 90% reliable. So lets see.
Kakuda said this, I think, about 90% reliability. The point, guys, is that so far we haven't seen an engine smoke or anything like that. Here we're talking about the correlation between chassis and engine, and here we're also talking about temperatures. The Honda engine could be reliable, but it requires a certain type of cooling which it is not having so far. Regarding performances we can only rely on the statements, because none of us, not even the journalists, know how the mapping and management of the hybrid are happening. Can we call the motor unreliable if there haven't been any breakdowns so far? Okay, they changed the stroll's engine, but do we know why? No. The only thing we can say is just that performance is lacking and the car is nervous. This has nothing to do with the engine, but with everything else. The car is far from its usability window.


And I'll tell you more, this is obviously my opinion, but in my opinion with this architecture even the Red Bull and Mercedes engines would have had problems.

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Leon Kennedy wrote:
12 Feb 2026, 21:23
Ashwinv16 wrote:
12 Feb 2026, 20:39
Just a reminder this isn't the engine Honda will be racing with. They still haven't homologated their engines and the final engine and battery spec will only be fitted in Melbourne. There will be reliability issues but Honda is calming by then the engine will be 90% reliable. So lets see.
Kakuda said this, I think, about 90% reliability. The point, guys, is that so far we haven't seen an engine smoke or anything like that. Here we're talking about the correlation between chassis and engine, and here we're also talking about temperatures. The Honda engine could be reliable, but it requires a certain type of cooling which it is not having so far. Regarding performances we can only rely on the statements, because none of us, not even the journalists, know how the mapping and management of the hybrid are happening. Can we call the motor unreliable if there haven't been any breakdowns so far? Okay, they changed the stroll's engine, but do we know why? No. The only thing we can say is just that performance is lacking and the car is nervous. This has nothing to do with the engine, but with everything else. The car is far from its usability window.


And I'll tell you more, this is obviously my opinion, but in my opinion with this architecture even the Red Bull and Mercedes engines would have had problems.
You haven't seen engine smoke because the engine is being run 500-1000 rpm below where it's supposed to be.

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Sorry but what does 90% reliability mean? It will last 90% of a race distance? Or needs to run at 90% of us potential to last its life?

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Leon Kennedy wrote:
12 Feb 2026, 21:23
Ashwinv16 wrote:
12 Feb 2026, 20:39
Just a reminder this isn't the engine Honda will be racing with. They still haven't homologated their engines and the final engine and battery spec will only be fitted in Melbourne. There will be reliability issues but Honda is calming by then the engine will be 90% reliable. So lets see.
Kakuda said this, I think, about 90% reliability. The point, guys, is that so far we haven't seen an engine smoke or anything like that. Here we're talking about the correlation between chassis and engine, and here we're also talking about temperatures. The Honda engine could be reliable, but it requires a certain type of cooling which it is not having so far. Regarding performances we can only rely on the statements, because none of us, not even the journalists, know how the mapping and management of the hybrid are happening. Can we call the motor unreliable if there haven't been any breakdowns so far? Okay, they changed the stroll's engine, but do we know why? No. The only thing we can say is just that performance is lacking and the car is nervous. This has nothing to do with the engine, but with everything else. The car is far from its usability window.


And I'll tell you more, this is obviously my opinion, but in my opinion with this architecture even the Red Bull and Mercedes engines would have had problems.

The weakest link for Honda PU could be its Energy Storage System because RBPT has taken over the ESS supply and development function since 2023. The big challenge for 2026 ESS is size and massive cooling requirement. And this may go against AN design philosophy


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emp wrote:
12 Feb 2026, 20:45
Ashwinv16 wrote:
12 Feb 2026, 20:39
Just a reminder this isn't the engine Honda will be racing with. They still haven't homologated their engines and the final engine and battery spec will only be fitted in Melbourne. There will be reliability issues but Honda is calming by then the engine will be 90% reliable. So lets see.
I am willing to make a bet that the engine will be *that* bad this year. If they have so many small problems, you can't tell anyone that the engine will be good next month when this month is extremely underwhelming.

Development doesn't happen over night in F1 and no sane manufacturer goes to limited testing with their lesser spec engine because track testing is invaluable. Ask Honda and their oil pump.

We don't know much, Could even be a fuel problem.

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Badger wrote:
12 Feb 2026, 21:29
Leon Kennedy wrote:
12 Feb 2026, 21:23
Ashwinv16 wrote:
12 Feb 2026, 20:39
Just a reminder this isn't the engine Honda will be racing with. They still haven't homologated their engines and the final engine and battery spec will only be fitted in Melbourne. There will be reliability issues but Honda is calming by then the engine will be 90% reliable. So lets see.
Kakuda said this, I think, about 90% reliability. The point, guys, is that so far we haven't seen an engine smoke or anything like that. Here we're talking about the correlation between chassis and engine, and here we're also talking about temperatures. The Honda engine could be reliable, but it requires a certain type of cooling which it is not having so far. Regarding performances we can only rely on the statements, because none of us, not even the journalists, know how the mapping and management of the hybrid are happening. Can we call the motor unreliable if there haven't been any breakdowns so far? Okay, they changed the stroll's engine, but do we know why? No. The only thing we can say is just that performance is lacking and the car is nervous. This has nothing to do with the engine, but with everything else. The car is far from its usability window.


And I'll tell you more, this is obviously my opinion, but in my opinion with this architecture even the Red Bull and Mercedes engines would have had problems.
You haven't seen engine smoke because the engine is being run 500-1000 rpm below where it's supposed to be.
You know, that never made much sense to me. If you don't have enough fuel flow to make more power above 10.5K, why run the engine above that and how do you get it to go above that? I always thought it was the MGU-K pushing the RPMs above 10.5K but I don't know for sure.

That being said when I watched ALO in live timing today, I did see the ICE hit 11k.

I wonder with the amount of instant torque they're getting from the MGU-K this year, if teams will use taller gears and rev lower ?
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I'm shocked the Honda ICE has such issues, I was prepared for a Renault-esque power deficit and reliability woes, not whatever this is. I actually expected the gear box to be the main hang-up given the team hasn't made their own since 2008.

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SealTheRealDeal wrote:
12 Feb 2026, 22:52
I'm shocked the Honda ICE has such issues, I was prepared for a Renault-esque power deficit and reliability woes, not whatever this is. I actually expected the gear box to be the main hang-up given the team hasn't made their own since 2008.
They still haven't had 1 race retirement and nobody has run a race with more power! YET!

They call it testing for a reason.

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I still think this is a lot of sandbagging. We'll see the real pace in the next test.

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Rockypeeters wrote:
12 Feb 2026, 23:01
I still think this is a lot of sandbagging. We'll see the real pace in the next test.
They not,Mike said there is a gap and only way to get closer is to work harder. Is definitely some isse with the energy side.