2026 Pre-Season Testing

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A guess of mine is that stronger acceleration out of the corner with these PU's makes it FEEL like you're not following well cuz by the time you get through the corner and start putting power down, the car ahead of you has already taken off, leaving you with a larger gap to have to close down. This will especially feel evident on a track like Bahrain where most all long straights come out of slower corners.

Also, some complaints I've seen about overtaking being more difficult aren't necessarily about 'following closely', but the effectiveness of the power boost and the ability to hold an overtake. DRS used to have no downsides, but using Overtake mode might. I also suspect DRS is a much more effective tool for improving top speed and enabling an overtake than power boost will be, at least when the car in front didn't also have DRS.
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Stu wrote:
14 Feb 2026, 12:39
Rikhart wrote:
14 Feb 2026, 00:01
AR3-GP wrote:
13 Feb 2026, 23:11
Did Russell leak the end date for these PU regs?

3 years of this crap? Kill me now.
You don’t need to watch it…
I read this kind of comment a lot and it is really lame. Imagine going to a restaurant for many years to eat your favorite dish and suddenly they totally change the recipe... You'd say "well dont eat there anymore". Well doh, but you'd understand the dissapointment of a person, no?

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Stu wrote:
14 Feb 2026, 12:39
Rikhart wrote:
14 Feb 2026, 00:01
AR3-GP wrote:
13 Feb 2026, 23:11
Did Russell leak the end date for these PU regs?

3 years of this crap? Kill me now.
You don’t need to watch it…
While this is true, by just perusing these forums, you can tell that it's far from being just me that is feeling this "don't need to watch it", in which case something might be quite wrong with the sport. It also seems the highest rated drivers are also coming out and saying much the same, even a leading figure of the WDC team is now calling for quick changes.

Do you think this might amount to something, or it's "just me"?

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Stu wrote:
14 Feb 2026, 12:39
Rikhart wrote:
14 Feb 2026, 00:01
AR3-GP wrote:
13 Feb 2026, 23:11
Did Russell leak the end date for these PU regs?

3 years of this crap? Kill me now.
You don’t need to watch it…
Comment on the post, not the poster.

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Seanspeed wrote:
14 Feb 2026, 14:03
A guess of mine is that stronger acceleration out of the corner with these PU's makes it FEEL like you're not following well cuz by the time you get through the corner and start putting power down, the car ahead of you has already taken off, leaving you with a larger gap to have to close down. This will especially feel evident on a track like Bahrain where most all long straights come out of slower corners.

Also, some complaints I've seen about overtaking being more difficult aren't necessarily about 'following closely', but the effectiveness of the power boost and the ability to hold an overtake. DRS used to have no downsides, but using Overtake mode might. I also suspect DRS is a much more effective tool for improving top speed and enabling an overtake than power boost will be, at least when the car in front didn't also have DRS.
DRS is a pure gain. The new overtake mode can only be considered an advantage if you actually harvest that extra bit you are allowed, which of course slows you down. This combined with the fact that these cars do not seem to follow very well and I doubt we will see much overtaking. Only if you are genuinely much faster and have better deployment will you be able to overtake.

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Rikhart wrote:
14 Feb 2026, 14:21
Stu wrote:
14 Feb 2026, 12:39
Rikhart wrote:
14 Feb 2026, 00:01


3 years of this crap? Kill me now.
You don’t need to watch it…
While this is true, by just perusing these forums, you can tell that it's far from being just me that is feeling this "don't need to watch it", in which case something might be quite wrong with the sport. It also seems the highest rated drivers are also coming out and saying much the same, even a leading figure of the WDC team is now calling for quick changes.

Do you think this might amount to something, or it's "just me"?
To me it will really suck if in the races there will be overtakes simply because the car infront ran out of electrical juice on those back to back mile straights. You got to ask yourself what is the point in this. It kind of reminds me of the horror times at Mclaren Honda days. Lift and coast from the race start to the finish line.

I thought people want to see pushing and racing, not managing...
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I'm a bit skeptical about Antonelli's race sim, he only did two stints due to the session running out. We are assuming he was fully fueled at the start of his first stint but he may as well have been starting with less fuel and doing the final two stints, or somewhere in between. Given the times he set relative to Russell and the others that may be the more likely scenario.
ImageThe point about race sims in testing is to completely eliminate fuel as a variable, and you can only do that if you can verify the full race sim. This one still has a ? to me.

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Badger wrote:
14 Feb 2026, 16:31
I'm a bit skeptical about Antonelli's race sim, he only did two stints due to the session running out. We are assuming he was fully fueled at the start of his first stint but he may as well have been starting with less fuel and doing the final two stints, or somewhere in between. Given the times he set relative to Russell and the others that may be the more likely scenario.
https://i.postimg.cc/qM4R3J10/2026-02-1 ... A-%28s.png The point about race sims in testing is to completely eliminate fuel as a variable, and you can only do that if you can verify the full race sim. This one still has a ? to me.
Antonelli started later when the track was cooler. So that may explain the difference. Don't compare to Russell since Russell did his sim in the day session (hot).
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AR3-GP wrote:
14 Feb 2026, 16:38
Badger wrote:
14 Feb 2026, 16:31
I'm a bit skeptical about Antonelli's race sim, he only did two stints due to the session running out. We are assuming he was fully fueled at the start of his first stint but he may as well have been starting with less fuel and doing the final two stints, or somewhere in between. Given the times he set relative to Russell and the others that may be the more likely scenario.
https://i.postimg.cc/qM4R3J10/2026-02-1 ... A-%28s.png The point about race sims in testing is to completely eliminate fuel as a variable, and you can only do that if you can verify the full race sim. This one still has a ? to me.
Antonelli started later when the track was cooler. So that may explain the difference. Don't compare to Russell since Russell did his sim in the day session (hot).
It wasn't that hot though, the track temp was only around 35 degrees. Antonelli's times cannot be verified as a genuine race sim because he only did around 30 laps, and they knew they were running out of time so they may well have underfueled the car.

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Badger wrote:
14 Feb 2026, 16:46
AR3-GP wrote:
14 Feb 2026, 16:38
Badger wrote:
14 Feb 2026, 16:31
I'm a bit skeptical about Antonelli's race sim, he only did two stints due to the session running out. We are assuming he was fully fueled at the start of his first stint but he may as well have been starting with less fuel and doing the final two stints, or somewhere in between. Given the times he set relative to Russell and the others that may be the more likely scenario.
https://i.postimg.cc/qM4R3J10/2026-02-1 ... A-%28s.png The point about race sims in testing is to completely eliminate fuel as a variable, and you can only do that if you can verify the full race sim. This one still has a ? to me.
Antonelli started later when the track was cooler. So that may explain the difference. Don't compare to Russell since Russell did his sim in the day session (hot).
It wasn't that hot though, the track temp was only around 35 degrees. Antonelli's times cannot be verified as a genuine race sim because he only did around 30 laps, and they knew they were running out of time so they may well have underfueled the car.
According to f1-dash, track temp finished at 24C. So it was much cooler. 10C is a big swing. There was also more rubber on the track when he finally went out.
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AR3-GP wrote:
14 Feb 2026, 16:52
Badger wrote:
14 Feb 2026, 16:46
AR3-GP wrote:
14 Feb 2026, 16:38


Antonelli started later when the track was cooler. So that may explain the difference. Don't compare to Russell since Russell did his sim in the day session (hot).
It wasn't that hot though, the track temp was only around 35 degrees. Antonelli's times cannot be verified as a genuine race sim because he only did around 30 laps, and they knew they were running out of time so they may well have underfueled the car.
According to f1-dash, track temp finished at 24C. So it was much cooler. 10C is a big swing. There was also more rubber on the track when he finally went out.
Antonelli is 0.75s faster in his second stint than George in his third, it's a bit unreasonable to me given the temperature was hardly roasting when George was out. It would not surprise me if Kimi started his stint with 20kg less fuel.

Either way, we cannot verify Kimi's stint so I don't think it should be considered in these comparisons.

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hollus wrote:
14 Feb 2026, 12:30
I am not so sure about all this "passing will be impossible". I think it will be wildly different. The old style of passing (I'll call it tactical) might have gotten harder, but there will be a new one, only that the drivers will need to learn it, and they can't do that in testing.
I am sure last year in testing you could just catch a car that was moderately pushing, set up a pass in two corners, and, since the other car was not fighting you, pass. In races of course it was harder, but it was a known amount, a known strategy to make it work (I'll still call it tacticalpassing, it was an isolated even to one segment of one lap).
And yet, in 2025, they pushed for a lap or two for a pass, and if the pass failed, the tires were cooked and "they paid for it for several laps", they could only try again 5-6 laps later.

Now we hear that in 2026 it is that if you use your push to pass, you'll pay for it for 5 laps. Familiar.

So, maybe following closely is harder and the old style will not longer work, if you can't be stable half a second behind, it won't.

Instead we might see a different type of passing:
We assume that most drivers will be energy poor most of the race, not even remotely having 9 MJ to use, ever. That is the scenario where if you try, you'll pay for five laps.
But if the leading driver is energy poor, and the following (but 0.4 sec/lap faster) driver is also energy poor, the follower can simply use less energy (or harvest more) to stay where he is, 1 second behind. After 3 laps saving, he has 6 extra MJ to use. The driver ahead could not save in the same way, at least not so much.
And then the push to pass is not a single straight, burn it all shot. Instead, with 6 extra MJ, it is 10 bursts of extra energy in every small straight, it is no Li-Co at all for 5 consecutive straigths. And the defending driver simply does not have those 6 MJ, so he can only pick one or two fights.
Alternatively, if the defending driver chooses to save energy, then he should be ready to have the attacking driver in his escape tube multiple times, as he can save only intermittently. It becomes a game of bluffs and surprise bursts.

Many will say that is not fun, and I will not challenge that. But I think we'll see lots of passing, just much more estrategic and based on energy management.

And that the pass, when it ultimate comes, will be that 60 km/h delta from the YeListener video, where the defending driver simply ran out of energy, with the attackig driver coming with all guns blazing.
Again, different to what we are used to. And many people won't like "different".

In any case, we'll find out in a month, by the time the second race is over (Australia is just different).

Oh, and no, that type of "strategic" passing, cannot be tested in testing, it requires an equally strategic rival.
It'll end up like moto gp, where you want to enter the last lap/corner in 2nd place for the best chance to win. Mario Cart..

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That was already happening in Monza in the 70s in F1; and it happened a million times on DRS zone combis, all those “last to the detection point” shenanigans…
I am not saying it is desirable but it is not that new. And it will be different track to track.
New and very different: perfect recipe for backlash. Happened to trains and cars too.
I think… we’ll see.
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Badger wrote:
14 Feb 2026, 16:58
AR3-GP wrote:
14 Feb 2026, 16:52
Badger wrote:
14 Feb 2026, 16:46

It wasn't that hot though, the track temp was only around 35 degrees. Antonelli's times cannot be verified as a genuine race sim because he only did around 30 laps, and they knew they were running out of time so they may well have underfueled the car.
According to f1-dash, track temp finished at 24C. So it was much cooler. 10C is a big swing. There was also more rubber on the track when he finally went out.
Antonelli is 0.75s faster in his second stint than George in his third, it's a bit unreasonable to me given the temperature was hardly roasting when George was out. It would not surprise me if Kimi started his stint with 20kg less fuel.

Either way, we cannot verify Kimi's stint so I don't think it should be considered in these comparisons.
Such a difference would arise easily from just 5-7 C track temp swing. Mercedes already admitted that the car became more difficult in the hotter weather compared to Barcelona. I see nothing unusual here. His first stint is in par with Hamilton.
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hollus wrote:
14 Feb 2026, 17:06
That was already happening in Monza in the 70s in F1; and it happened a million times on DRS zone combis, all those “last to the detection point” shenanigans…
I am not saying it is desirable but it is not that new. And it will be different track to track.

+1 to what Hollus said here and holds true from bicycle racing, to motorcycle racing, to NASCAR, to Snowboard cross, to speed skating, to just about every motorsport class. Sometimes 3rd or 4th place in a “train” is the best place to be.


As for pecking order, guys, it’s testing. This isn’t the era or mechanical throttle linkages and naturally aspirated power, there are so many different power / deployment maps, so many different run plans from power development, or chassis / tire data, to collecting aero data, etc. We go over this every year