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As much as the way drivers are exploring the use of gearing to increase generation through corners, have the drivers been noted as exploring braking and cornering profiles for the same reason?

I haven't seen any footage, but can imagine them taking a line into a corner that prioritises exits, slower on entry but also generating more power on entry, if they are able to do that.

Edit: Yes, is the answer.

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venkyhere wrote:
14 Feb 2026, 16:18
LionsHeart wrote:
14 Feb 2026, 15:17
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14 Feb 2026, 07:59


And they aren’t wrong… Last year Mercedes finished first, Williams was actually third and Alpine 5th coming out of testing… and that couldn’t be more different than the actual pecking order during the season.

Bahrain is also a very particular track, not necessarily representative of the whole season… Doing well at Bahrain isn’t necessarily something that correlates to most races in the season.

Not only will doing well (or poorly) in a particular race won’t create correlation to other races, this season in particular will be one of rapid development for most teams and a potential constant change of the pecking order… It should be a fun one
Yes, I agree with that statement. But that's the way it goes year after year. Therefore, the test results can be taken as facts in themselves, and within these tests, one can simply speculate. The second and third races are Shanghai and Suzuka. These tracks will reveal a lot about the reality.
I am waiting for China T1-2-3 and Sector1 in Suzuka. In my mind, they are perfect benchmarks for an F1 car.
McLaren was on par with RedBull in the first sector of Suzuka back in 2019. Yet they were shockingly bad in slow & medium speed corners.

Those sections tell you who has the most usable peak downforce, but they're not necessarily the best benchmark, because there's usually not a lot of time to be gained in very high speed sections. You can think of it in terms of percentages. If the best car takes a very fast corner at 270 kmh, if the second best takes it at 265 then they're just 1.85% slower. However, if on a medium speed corner the best car takes it at 90 kmh, but the second best has to slow down to 85 kmh, that's 5.56% slower.

If you translate that into lap time, the difference becomes even clearer. Over a typical high-speed corner of around 300 meters, that 5 kmh deficit would only cost around 0.08s. But over a shorter 100-meter medium-speed corner, the same 5 kmh gap can cost around two to three tenths. Basically, it's because you're spending more time per meter at lower speeds, so percentage losses in medium and slow corners hurt lap time disproportionately compared to very fast sections.

That's why the best benchmark are usually the medium speed corners. Off-camber if possible. It's what has traditionally separated the best teams to the midfield. They're just much better on these tricky section where downforce is lower. Top teams generate more downforce at slower speeds than midfielders and they typically have a much better mechanical platform as well.

I guess corners that fall into this "benchmark" category would be corners like Imola 17 and 18 , or Melbourne T3. Or the last real corner in Bahrain. You could put T4 and particularly T5 in Barcelona in there as well. And many more.
There's basically a lot of such corners in the calendar where you can lose a lot of laptime for being a handful of kmh slower than the best car.
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Emag wrote:
14 Feb 2026, 18:28
venkyhere wrote:
14 Feb 2026, 16:18
LionsHeart wrote:
14 Feb 2026, 15:17


Yes, I agree with that statement. But that's the way it goes year after year. Therefore, the test results can be taken as facts in themselves, and within these tests, one can simply speculate. The second and third races are Shanghai and Suzuka. These tracks will reveal a lot about the reality.
I am waiting for China T1-2-3 and Sector1 in Suzuka. In my mind, they are perfect benchmarks for an F1 car.
McLaren was on par with RedBull in the first sector of Suzuka back in 2019. Yet they were shockingly bad in slow & medium speed corners.

Those sections tell you who has the most usable peak downforce, but they're not necessarily the best benchmark, because there's usually not a lot of time to be gained in very high speed sections. You can think of it in terms of percentages. If the best car takes a very fast corner at 270 kmh, if the second best takes it at 265 then they're just 1.85% slower. However, if on a medium speed corner the best car takes it at 90 kmh, but the second best has to slow down to 85 kmh, that's 5.56% slower.

If you translate that into lap time, the difference becomes even clearer. Over a typical high-speed corner of around 300 meters, that 5 kmh deficit would only cost around 0.08s. But over a shorter 100-meter medium-speed corner, the same 5 kmh gap can cost around two to three tenths. Basically, it's because you're spending more time per meter at lower speeds, so percentage losses in medium and slow corners hurt lap time disproportionately compared to very fast sections.

That's why the best benchmark are usually the medium speed corners. Off-camber if possible. It's what has traditionally separated the best teams to the midfield. They're just much better on these tricky section where downforce is lower. Top teams generate more downforce at slower speeds than midfielders and they typically have a much better mechanical platform as well.

I guess corners that fall into this "benchmark" category would be corners like Imola 17 and 18 , or Melbourne T3. Or the last real corner in Bahrain. You could put T4 and particularly T5 in Barcelona in there as well. And many more.
There's basically a lot of such corners in the calendar where you can lose a lot of laptime for being a handful of kmh slower than the best car.
I meant Suzuka S1 for high speed and China 1-2-3 for medium & slow speed (T3 in china is a slow speed one, and comes immediately after a decreasing radius medium speed 1-2). I should have said "China 1-2-3 and Suzuka S1 together"

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T1-2-3 at China, but also 11-12-13 I think offer one of the most interesting tests of an F1 car, as well as the huge straight and the massive braking zone at the end will be interesting for this formula specifically. Almost certainly that will be an active Aero zone, the speeds could be insane.
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what I can already see, is Monaco pole time genuinely reducing a lot with these new regs. Circuits like Jeddah, Spa, Spielberg, Monza, Vegas -- will be massive disappointments.

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likely, though they will have a lot of active aero to mitigate and I suspect it will make for some interesting overtakes. Races may be slower to varying degrees, but I do think it is a recipe for some excitement. That said, the teams always find a way to stabilise things and remove some of the chaos, hopefully this formula keeps some chaos for a couple of years.
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venkyhere wrote:
14 Feb 2026, 21:39
what I can already see, is Monaco pole time genuinely reducing a lot with these new regs. Circuits like Jeddah, Spa, Spielberg, Monza, Vegas -- will be massive disappointments.
Why would Monaco times go down? They will never go fast enough to be frag limited, sp active aero won’t help. At the same time the cars have less engine power and downforce.

Monaco probably won’t be a disaster, but they won’t be faster.

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Big difference in gear ratios between Mclaren and Mercedes.

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AR3-GP wrote:
15 Feb 2026, 02:49
Big difference in gear ratios between Mclaren and Mercedes.

https://pbs.twimg.com/media/HBImPP2awAA ... =4096x4096
Interesting,
Is the longer first gear trend a feature of the current PU regs ?
Also I'm assuming the Williams and Alpine ratios are in fact identical to those of Mercedes no ?

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McFAN wrote:
15 Feb 2026, 04:08
AR3-GP wrote:
15 Feb 2026, 02:49
Big difference in gear ratios between Mclaren and Mercedes.

https://pbs.twimg.com/media/HBImPP2awAA ... =4096x4096
Interesting,
Is the longer first gear trend a feature of the current PU regs ?
Also I'm assuming the Williams and Alpine ratios are in fact identical to those of Mercedes no ?
William/Alpine/Merc should be identical but they will show around 1% discrepancy because the data from FOM is messy. The same story for RB/VCARB and then for Ferrari/Haas/Cadillac.

I wouldn't say that a longer first gear is a "feature" of the PU regs. It just shows that some teams want to harvest in certain corner types and modified the gear ratios to suit that. Other teams have different strategies and different locations prioritized for harvesting. In theory there are many ways to get the same net result.

A downside to a longer 1st gear could come at the starts. Each team picks different compromises for what they think is the best way to win the weekend.
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bananapeel23 wrote:
15 Feb 2026, 01:32
venkyhere wrote:
14 Feb 2026, 21:39
what I can already see, is Monaco pole time genuinely reducing a lot with these new regs. Circuits like Jeddah, Spa, Spielberg, Monza, Vegas -- will be massive disappointments.
Why would Monaco times go down? They will never go fast enough to be frag limited, sp active aero won’t help. At the same time the cars have less engine power and downforce.

Monaco probably won’t be a disaster, but they won’t be faster.
Tons of braking zones and no battery draining straights mean you'll have at least same usable power, active aero but also smaller cars which will be a bit quicker into, through and away from corners. Theoretically they are also lighter, but we don't know that snd they may not be.
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AR3-GP wrote:
15 Feb 2026, 02:49
Big difference in gear ratios between Mclaren and Mercedes.

https://pbs.twimg.com/media/HBImPP2awAA ... =4096x4096
I wonder if the gearboxes are homologated yet, or if they are able to bring changes prior to Melbourne.
I'd assume we'll see a more engine braking this year, I wonder what toll that will take on the engines and gearbox over time, and how that is going to affect the brake balance and car balance going in to and through corners, drivers will have to work hard to keep the rear in check and to regenerate.
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mwillems wrote:
15 Feb 2026, 08:04
AR3-GP wrote:
15 Feb 2026, 02:49
Big difference in gear ratios between Mclaren and Mercedes.

https://pbs.twimg.com/media/HBImPP2awAA ... =4096x4096
I wonder if the gearboxes are homologated yet, or if they are able to bring changes prior to Melbourne.
I'd assume we'll see a more engine braking this year, I wonder what toll that will take on the engines and gearbox over time, and how that is going to affect the brake balance and car balance going in to and through corners, drivers will have to work hard to keep the rear in check and to regenerate.
They have logical reasons for what they have done, I'm sure. They would have considered the whole package and how this car will generate speed.
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AR3-GP wrote:
15 Feb 2026, 08:11
mwillems wrote:
15 Feb 2026, 08:04
AR3-GP wrote:
15 Feb 2026, 02:49
Big difference in gear ratios between Mclaren and Mercedes.

https://pbs.twimg.com/media/HBImPP2awAA ... =4096x4096
I wonder if the gearboxes are homologated yet, or if they are able to bring changes prior to Melbourne.
I'd assume we'll see a more engine braking this year, I wonder what toll that will take on the engines and gearbox over time, and how that is going to affect the brake balance and car balance going in to and through corners, drivers will have to work hard to keep the rear in check and to regenerate.
They have logical reasons for what they have done, I'm sure. The ratios need to consider the whole package and how that car will generate its speed.
They do, but they were only putting the car on the dyno prior to the Barcelona test and have openly spoke about needing to learn about harvesting throughout the season, which gearing will play a role in. So I'd assume that these ratios may be subject to change based on learnings at this early stage.
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mwillems wrote:
15 Feb 2026, 08:14
AR3-GP wrote:
15 Feb 2026, 08:11
mwillems wrote:
15 Feb 2026, 08:04


I wonder if the gearboxes are homologated yet, or if they are able to bring changes prior to Melbourne.
I'd assume we'll see a more engine braking this year, I wonder what toll that will take on the engines and gearbox over time, and how that is going to affect the brake balance and car balance going in to and through corners, drivers will have to work hard to keep the rear in check and to regenerate.
They have logical reasons for what they have done, I'm sure. The ratios need to consider the whole package and how that car will generate its speed.
They do, but they were only putting the car on the dyno prior to the Barcelona test and have openly spoke about needing to learn about harvesting, which gearing will play a role in. So I'd assume that these ratios may be subject to change based on learnings.
All of this would have been in simulation. There's no basis to conclude Mclaren have done anything wrong. It's just different. We don't yet know what benefits will come from it, but I'm sure there are.
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