2026 Aston Martin Aramco Formula One Team

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Otromundo wrote:
14 Feb 2026, 16:52

Hmm... your reasoning is unsettling. But it makes sense. It would be the worst option: extreme overweight.

But 40 kg seems insane to me. It can't be.
I think believing everything which comes from stupid journalist is more strange. AM and Honda can be down as performance but for sure for me that, it is not 4.5 sec per lap. Believing engine blown just running high rev is also sounds rubbish to me.
I think they are taking it easy. Maybe new gearbox makes this little bit slower. They will be F1 team margine as performance even they are last team.

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FNTC wrote:
14 Feb 2026, 21:16
Yeah would be funny if they are sandbagging, but I think that's less than 10% likely.
agreed. A gap this big, you'd have to call it beach sanding! Waaay more than a bag.

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krich wrote:
14 Feb 2026, 21:43
im starting to get more and more confident its an historic sandbagging lol, 40 kg of overweight is more than amr25 and thats just plain impossible. And its not the first time Newey does it to keep the team focus on whats worth
They are not sand bagging but of course they are not this much behind in terms of pure potential.
They have to fix a massive amount of things right now. It's likely that some will be fixed before the first race but they are starting way behind.

I underestimated the challenge honestly. Now Newey words on starting the real development in April instead of January make perfect sense.

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https://racingnews365.com/aston-martin- ... -body-blow
According to some sources, owner Lawrence Stroll voiced his anger at one stage, and is pushing for a quick resolution to the situation, while others say that the first serious dispute with engine supplier Honda has already taken place.
Adding to the challenge is that the team is using a gearbox developed in-house for the first time, which increases the complexity of the task, while problems have also arisen due to the compact design of the cooling system.

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Not sure there is a quick resolution to the situation.

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FNTC wrote:
14 Feb 2026, 23:04
https://racingnews365.com/aston-martin- ... -body-blow
According to some sources, owner Lawrence Stroll voiced his anger at one stage, and is pushing for a quick resolution to the situation, while others say that the first serious dispute with engine supplier Honda has already taken place.
Adding to the challenge is that the team is using a gearbox developed in-house for the first time, which increases the complexity of the task, while problems have also arisen due to the compact design of the cooling system.
You really believe that ? You think he had no idea of this ? Pretty sure that since they told "US" they might not be ready for the first test. Plus he already said last year they started late ....He know's exactly what's going on.

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Honestly the likeness to 2015 is stunning, even down to the impatient bearish owner.

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Xyz22 wrote:
14 Feb 2026, 22:34
krich wrote:
14 Feb 2026, 21:43
im starting to get more and more confident its an historic sandbagging lol, 40 kg of overweight is more than amr25 and thats just plain impossible. And its not the first time Newey does it to keep the team focus on whats worth
They are not sand bagging but of course they are not this much behind in terms of pure potential.
They have to fix a massive amount of things right now. It's likely that some will be fixed before the first race but they are starting way behind.

I underestimated the challenge honestly. Now Newey words on starting the real development in April instead of January make perfect sense.
It makes sense if it was an aero/chassis issue, not an engine one. This seems strange to me from the start: they were already talking about updates at the presentation. But are they referring to the ADUOs after race 6 or something else? For me, the car as a chassis and aerodynamics only Newey knows if there is something wrong and where it needs to be fixed, but without an engine you don't go anywhere, even if you upgrade the car aerodynamically/chassis-wise. So, they expect the engine to be fine?

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Leon Kennedy wrote:
15 Feb 2026, 00:27
Xyz22 wrote:
14 Feb 2026, 22:34
krich wrote:
14 Feb 2026, 21:43
im starting to get more and more confident its an historic sandbagging lol, 40 kg of overweight is more than amr25 and thats just plain impossible. And its not the first time Newey does it to keep the team focus on whats worth
They are not sand bagging but of course they are not this much behind in terms of pure potential.
They have to fix a massive amount of things right now. It's likely that some will be fixed before the first race but they are starting way behind.

I underestimated the challenge honestly. Now Newey words on starting the real development in April instead of January make perfect sense.
It makes sense if it was an aero/chassis issue, not an engine one. This seems strange to me from the start: they were already talking about updates at the presentation. But are they referring to the ADUOs after race 6 or something else? For me, the car as a chassis and aerodynamics only Newey knows if there is something wrong and where it needs to be fixed, but without an engine you don't go anywhere, even if you upgrade the car aerodynamically/chassis-wise. So, they expect the engine to be fine?
Right now the car doesn't look very competitive in the corners either. This could be related to multiple things like weight for example. Starting so much behind clearly had a massive impact on the chassis/aero side as well.

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Guys,calm down! Aston used the 3 day test as others the shakedown. Ye Williams also not,but Mercedes have many teams with the same engine and gearbox, etcetera. Krack also said, they didn't even touched the car setup, settings or go for 1 lap.

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OnEcRiTiCaL wrote:
15 Feb 2026, 00:55
Guys,calm down! Aston used the 3 day test as others the shakedown. Ye Williams also not,but Mercedes have many teams with the same engine and gearbox, etcetera. Krack also said, they didn't even touched the car setup, settings or go for 1 lap.
Hypothetically if Honda PU issue cannot be fixed and the car doesnt meet that 107% qualifying time requirement, can AMR continue to race this season?

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CHT wrote:
15 Feb 2026, 01:24
OnEcRiTiCaL wrote:
15 Feb 2026, 00:55
Guys,calm down! Aston used the 3 day test as others the shakedown. Ye Williams also not,but Mercedes have many teams with the same engine and gearbox, etcetera. Krack also said, they didn't even touched the car setup, settings or go for 1 lap.
Hypothetically if Honda PU issue cannot be fixed and the car doesnt meet that 107% qualifying time requirement, can AMR continue to race this season?
What makes you think Aston Martin will lose another 2 seconds to the leaders to even entertain this hypothetical?

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I think Honda will deliver more battery power over a lap running lower top speed and rpm.

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CHT wrote:
15 Feb 2026, 01:24
OnEcRiTiCaL wrote:
15 Feb 2026, 00:55
Guys,calm down! Aston used the 3 day test as others the shakedown. Ye Williams also not,but Mercedes have many teams with the same engine and gearbox, etcetera. Krack also said, they didn't even touched the car setup, settings or go for 1 lap.
Hypothetically if Honda PU issue cannot be fixed and the car doesnt meet that 107% qualifying time requirement, can AMR continue to race this season?
If okay, after this I've heard them all, even 😂 come on

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venkyhere wrote:
14 Feb 2026, 16:17
Leon Kennedy wrote:
14 Feb 2026, 16:08
Calm down, guys, it's still testing. Ted Kravitz and Lobato also said that Newey has already identified the problems and has a plan to fix them. Regarding the engine, It's not just a gear change problem, but improvements have already been seen from day 1 to day 3.
If the issue is with engine and gearbox, how is Newey 'planning' to fix them ? He is just going to ask the powertrain guys to debug and fix this. I don't understand the obsession of media with "thanos-like designer who can do everything from tightening a bolt to writing an ECU algorithm"
the guy making that statement literaly said that he didnt know that it was 40kg, just that its quite a bit overweight. and its not all in the chassis. the chassis, gearbox and PU all probably contribute to it.

it may be tricky to fix the gearbox's problems while also lowering the weight, but im sure honda and the chassis guys both have a plan to lower weight, just takes time, like they said before tests started.
it is being reported that the engine has to be turned down so they dont destroy the gearbox. like everything right now, sortof going on rumors to a certain extent.