2026 Aston Martin Aramco Formula One Team

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dren wrote:
17 Feb 2026, 17:31
Different in stuff we see and don't see. I'm not sure how much different the actual car will look outside of maybe the cooling exits getting smaller. Maybe a different front wing.
I agree, there are many things we don't know. And it's something that's also happening with the other teams: they're all testing, and nothing is guaranteed for Australia. It wouldn't be the first time that the standouts in preseason don't perform as well in the first few races. Or that the team that was hidden in preseason shines.

Our friend Diffuser posted an interesting topic: the ADUO program and its regulations. I hope it won't be necessary, although on the other hand, I think it might be on AM's agenda as an emergency or confirmation option, because they've said several times that the idea is to make progress at each race to arrive at the halfway point of the season well-prepared and with podium chances. We would have to wait six races first, and that's a long time. Then, we'd have to be successful with the modifications (another 3-6 races). We'd be halfway through the season. I don't know if it's a coincidence. Maybe they have ADUO as a "plan B."

At first glance, and without meaning to be negative, what's happening is the result of rushing to form a new team. They haven't even done enough laps with the cars, something basic and essential. The wind tunnel is apparently also "under construction." And they have little data because they haven't done enough laps.

But digging a little deeper, we find the AN-Honda paradox. The former wants its super-zero size, and the latter wants guaranteed space to dissipate heat, I think. They'll have to find common ground. To get out of this impasse, the easiest thing would be to widen the rear to improve cooling, I think. Although this would lead to the corresponding modification of the rear wing, and so on. Perhaps Newey has to sacrifice perfection to be able to test the engine and transmission.

Then there are the delicate issues with the movable wings (the front ones, when closed, seem to create noticeable turbulence); the cooling system with its peculiar curved radiators, made in AN (related to the AN/Honda situation regarding size); finding a solid solution for the gearbox... and the rear suspension, anchored to the gearbox cassette, which needs to be checked... also related to the issue of widening the car... and which is certainly peculiar... I'm concerned about the rear suspension because of its great importance and in the few images I've seen of the AM26... how the car behaves strangely...

It could turn out that if AN gives in a little and Honda makes a little more effort; the gearbox/transmission is improved... and -above all- we do 200 more laps to start... things could change a lot !

The issue of front wings and their effect on steering (when they "close" before the corner) must also affect other teams. I've heard it mentioned in relation to AM: "the drivers say they affect the racing line, that the car moves around and is unpredictable." That could be true; they're aerodynamic brakes and have never been tested in F1. I liked it when Pagani adopted them because I also like airplanes; it made sense. But in F1... we'll see. They might have to be of a specific shape or function.
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Rodak wrote:
17 Feb 2026, 18:59
That's why i believe this is a case that all 4 manufactures will be willing to take to court, and on the other hand Mercedes will actually do nothing if FIA changes the measurement procedures and just accept it.
And why do you think a team can 'go to court' about the regulations of a private organization? Can a tennis player 'go to court' to change rules? Teams have signed up to race under the rules of the FIA; if they don't like them they can quit.
The FIA has its own tribunal and court.

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Badger wrote:
17 Feb 2026, 19:07
Rodak wrote:
17 Feb 2026, 18:59
That's why i believe this is a case that all 4 manufactures will be willing to take to court, and on the other hand Mercedes will actually do nothing if FIA changes the measurement procedures and just accept it.
And why do you think a team can 'go to court' about the regulations of a private organization? Can a tennis player 'go to court' to change rules? Teams have signed up to race under the rules of the FIA; if they don't like them they can quit.
The FIA has its own tribunal and court.
I think they'll penalize the Mercedes-powered cars with some ballast. And that's it. It would be the simplest solution, and I think they've already half-agreed on it.
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Otromundo wrote:
17 Feb 2026, 19:16
Badger wrote:
17 Feb 2026, 19:07
Rodak wrote:
17 Feb 2026, 18:59


And why do you think a team can 'go to court' about the regulations of a private organization? Can a tennis player 'go to court' to change rules? Teams have signed up to race under the rules of the FIA; if they don't like them they can quit.
The FIA has its own tribunal and court.
I think they'll penalize the Mercedes-powered cars with some ballast. And that's it. It would be the simplest solution, and I think they've already half-agreed on it.
100 extra kilograms!

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I had already talked about it in the technical forum.
https://x.com/i/status/2023789260466262502
Guys, I think there's a Newey or Bell effect here, call it what you want, there's the possibility of passive hydraulic suspension.

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TyreSlip wrote:
17 Feb 2026, 19:25
Otromundo wrote:
17 Feb 2026, 19:16
Badger wrote:
17 Feb 2026, 19:07

The FIA has its own tribunal and court.
I think they'll penalize the Mercedes-powered cars with some ballast. And that's it. It would be the simplest solution, and I think they've already half-agreed on it.
100 extra kilograms!
:lol:
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zoroastar wrote:
17 Feb 2026, 04:18
Bill wrote:
16 Feb 2026, 16:15
Badger wrote:
13 Feb 2026, 18:33

Comparing Audi to Honda in 2015 is a bit of a self-own considering Audi looks much better than Honda in 2026.
Audi have nothing to be proud off .the sport was dumb down to accommodate them .no mguh .variable trumpet,powerful engine.they ruined f1. the engines are generators to charge batteries
audi wanted to charge the batteries from all 4 wheels instead of just 2 because they developed and used that in wec, but current teams veto'd it because they thought audi would have a big advantage. so that can kinda go both ways. either way, honda would still be about a year behind even teams that had never made a power unit before. just because
Motorsport is dying across the board because no manufacturer want to lose .the days of Motorsport being used as a platform to develop any fancy tech and take really risk are long gone .f1 is slowly creeping into balance of performance,the frog is being boiled slowly.the current regulations are a disaster because the engine feels servely underpowered.

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TyreSlip wrote:
17 Feb 2026, 19:25
Otromundo wrote:
17 Feb 2026, 19:16
Badger wrote:
17 Feb 2026, 19:07

The FIA has its own tribunal and court.
I think they'll penalize the Mercedes-powered cars with some ballast. And that's it. It would be the simplest solution, and I think they've already half-agreed on it.
100 extra kilograms!
Wouldn't a fuel restriction increase by percentage based on the increase of power + 5% be easier? Instead of 3000 make it 20% less, therefore, make it 2700?

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Less fuel flow would allow for a lighter car with less starting fuel. They could also restrict the amount or how fast to deploy the battery power if they were to penalize anyone.

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FNTC wrote:
17 Feb 2026, 21:29
Less fuel flow would allow for a lighter car with less starting fuel. They could also restrict the amount or how fast to deploy the battery power if they were to penalize anyone.
Fuel flow is already monitored by FIA. Less flow will result in a loss of power. It was also impact the ability to charge their battery.

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Rodak wrote:
17 Feb 2026, 18:59
That's why i believe this is a case that all 4 manufactures will be willing to take to court, and on the other hand Mercedes will actually do nothing if FIA changes the measurement procedures and just accept it.
And why do you think a team can 'go to court' about the regulations of a private organization? Can a tennis player 'go to court' to change rules? Teams have signed up to race under the rules of the FIA; if they don't like them they can quit.
I believe teams or engine manufactures or even drivers can take FIA to court yea.. and your analogy IMO is completely wrong.

In this case is not about if a tennis player can sue their sport's governing body (which they can do btw).. it's about let's say 80% of the official and certified tennis racket manufactures, sue the governing body, for altering a tennis racket specification in the last minute, to aid a specific 20% of certified tennis racket manufactures to introduce a new racket technology that gives them the competitive advantage.

Usually suing the governing body of any sport is legally a very complex thing to do because there are contractual restrictions involved forbidding you in a way to do so such a thing. BUT !! if a team feels that rules were broken, investigations were mishandled or were biased, Contractual Infringements or breaches were made, potentially effecting profit revenues or commercial exposure resulting to loss of earnings and other damages etc etc.. THEN they can sue FIA and take the case to court.

They can do this not only through FIA channels like the International Tribunal and International Court of Appeal right after, (which contractually i think are obligated to do).. but even in civil courts (as last resort) if they truly feel that they have a really strong case involving commercial and brand damages or corruption at some level within the FIA.

Disclaimer, i am not a lawyer and what i say i am only saying it after doing my own research.
A lawyer can give us his input on this if he likes... But my research resulted in what i stated above.

But tbh i really believe that the 4 manufactures do have a really strong case.
So strong that will force FIA to avoid going to court about this even if they have to (in a way) through Mercedes under the bus.. sort of speak.
Again, i am stating that i may be completely wrong over this, but this is how i see it atm.

And i really think that Mercedes will actually do nothing about it if this happens. They will not react at all.
They will play the "superiority" card that for the "good of the sport" and to avoid dragging the sport to court batles etc etc, they will just accept FIAs decision with no legal reaction.

I am really curious my self to see how all this this will play out tbh. It's a very interesting situation.

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Badger wrote:
17 Feb 2026, 19:07
Rodak wrote:
17 Feb 2026, 18:59
That's why i believe this is a case that all 4 manufactures will be willing to take to court, and on the other hand Mercedes will actually do nothing if FIA changes the measurement procedures and just accept it.
And why do you think a team can 'go to court' about the regulations of a private organization? Can a tennis player 'go to court' to change rules? Teams have signed up to race under the rules of the FIA; if they don't like them they can quit.
The FIA has its own tribunal and court.
Yeah, that's called a protest, not a court case. A 'court case' implies some use of a countries court system. Here in the U.S. anyone can sue anyone else for anything in civil court, but that doesn't mean your case won't just get thrown out.

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diffuser wrote:
17 Feb 2026, 21:25
Wouldn't a fuel restriction increase by percentage based on the increase of power + 5% be easier? Instead of 3000 make it 20% less, therefore, make it 2700?
Just to check, do you have a role in ensuring the Aston Martin F1 car achieves the weight limit? Might explain a few things...

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Arcanum wrote:
18 Feb 2026, 02:07
diffuser wrote:
17 Feb 2026, 21:25
Wouldn't a fuel restriction increase by percentage based on the increase of power + 5% be easier? Instead of 3000 make it 20% less, therefore, make it 2700?
Just to check, do you have a role in ensuring the Aston Martin F1 car achieves the weight limit? Might explain a few things...
No, just a fan speculating. Not sure what the FIA implimenting fuel flow restriction on Merc in exchange for CR has to do with AMR26 achieving weight.

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theres a lot of talk about Craig Skinner leaving redbull and the possibility that he may come to aston martin. happened pretty fast, but i would assume he wont be at any other team for a few months regardless