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Who gave that "initial data"?

via motorsport

[LM10]

"According to initial data, Ferrari can gain an additional 8-10 km/h on straights thanks to this new wing compared to the others. Mercedes and Red Bull engineers are surprised by the solution!"

Ferrari cooking?

Ferrari has always been cooking especially at the start of regulation changes - immediately thinking of the high sidepod inlets on the wonderful machine called SF70H - and by the looks of it, even more so now.

Mindblowing engineering right there. Not only the blown diffuser/rear wing (which btw is not a loophole), but also this crazy DRS actuation.

[AR3-GP]

You need several continous laps to properly confirm this. There's also no source given, just "according to initial data". Initial data of who? Some person looking at livetiming? Or initial talks in the paddock. Because the second is infinitely more reliable.

If you just look at one speedtrap once you can arrive to wrong conclusions. RedBull hit 344 kmh last week, but they haven't touched that this week at all.

I don't understand the connection to Red Bull. The laws of physics don't change from lap to lap. Put an object with less drag down a straight with the same engine power and you will measure the difference in top speed immediately. It doesn't have a "warmup" period. If there is head/tail wind, the pitot sensor allows you to back out the real top speed.

[FittingMechanics]

What is more likely, Ferrari tested it this morning, immediately validated that it is 8-10 kph faster and leaked it to the press (I haven't seen a credible source so far).

Or someone of clickbait accounts inventing a number?

[Emag]

You need several continous laps to properly confirm this. There's also no source given, just "according to initial data". Initial data of who? Some person looking at livetiming? Or initial talks in the paddock. Because the second is infinitely more reliable.

If you just look at one speedtrap once you can arrive to wrong conclusions. RedBull hit 344 kmh last week, but they haven't touched that this week at all.

I don't understand the connection to Red Bull. The laws of physics don't change from lap to lap. Put an object with less drag down a straight with the same engine power and you will measure the difference in top speed immediately. It doesn't have a "warmup" period. If there is head/tail wind, the pitot sensor allows you to back out the real top speed.

Ferrari would obviously know exactly how much their wing was worth after only one run. But the rest? Not so easy.

You don't know if they were running some extra low drag configuration that loses them 1 second in the corners to test their new wing. Or maybe they depleted the battery to test drag levels at top speed.

That's why I am saying, who is the owner of this "initial data"? There is no proper source given. I am not saying there is no way this is true. I am saying it's better to wait for a proper source to confirm. Because 8-10 kmh extra speed while having the same downforce in the corners is legit an insane amount of gain.

The reference to RedBull was also because of this uncertainty on our end. Toto started spewing bullsh*t about how they are unable to match RedBull's speed, when it was mostly down to a different deployment strategy on their part that stopped deployment earlier in the start/finish straight.

[subfire91]

That's worth more than Merc's compression ratio trick. It's the equivalent of finding at least 50 hp on the engine side.

downside is, it can most probably be easy to be copied

[AR3-GP]

You need several continous laps to properly confirm this. There's also no source given, just "according to initial data". Initial data of who? Some person looking at livetiming? Or initial talks in the paddock. Because the second is infinitely more reliable.

If you just look at one speedtrap once you can arrive to wrong conclusions. RedBull hit 344 kmh last week, but they haven't touched that this week at all.

I don't understand the connection to Red Bull. The laws of physics don't change from lap to lap. Put an object with less drag down a straight with the same engine power and you will measure the difference in top speed immediately. It doesn't have a "warmup" period. If there is head/tail wind, the pitot sensor allows you to back out the real top speed.

Ferrari would obviously know exactly how much their wing was worth after only one run. But the rest? Not so easy.

You don't know if they were running some extra low drag configuration that loses them 1 second in the corners to test their new wing. Or maybe they depleted the battery to test drag levels at top speed.

That's why I am saying, who is the owner of this "initial data"? There is no proper source given. I am not saying there is no way this is true. I am saying it's better to wait for a proper source to confirm. Because 8-10 kmh extra speed while having the same downforce in the corners is legit an insane amount of gain.

The reference to RedBull was also because of this uncertainty on our end. Toto started spewing bullsh*t about how they are unable to match RedBull's speed, when it was mostly down to a different deployment strategy on their part that stopped deployment earlier in the start/finish straight.

I take for granted that Italian motorsport has insiders at Ferrari. So I haven't looked at this problem.

[ToffeeTyres]

If it works it’s a clever bit of innovation yes other teams can easily copy it but if no one is running it or don’t design it correctly Ferrari have a nice bit of advantage at the start of the season on the straights. But could also be a fail too and doesn’t work as expected I’m sure in those 5 lad they will have enough data hence why we haven’t seen them running again since

[Emag]

I don't understand the connection to Red Bull. The laws of physics don't change from lap to lap. Put an object with less drag down a straight with the same engine power and you will measure the difference in top speed immediately. It doesn't have a "warmup" period. If there is head/tail wind, the pitot sensor allows you to back out the real top speed.

Ferrari would obviously know exactly how much their wing was worth after only one run. But the rest? Not so easy.

You don't know if they were running some extra low drag configuration that loses them 1 second in the corners to test their new wing. Or maybe they depleted the battery to test drag levels at top speed.

That's why I am saying, who is the owner of this "initial data"? There is no proper source given. I am not saying there is no way this is true. I am saying it's better to wait for a proper source to confirm. Because 8-10 kmh extra speed while having the same downforce in the corners is legit an insane amount of gain.

The reference to RedBull was also because of this uncertainty on our end. Toto started spewing bullsh*t about how they are unable to match RedBull's speed, when it was mostly down to a different deployment strategy on their part that stopped deployment earlier in the start/finish straight.

I take for granted that Italian motorsport has insiders at Ferrari. So I haven't looked at this problem.

I just checked motorsport ita channels and there's no 8/10 kmh number mentioned anywhere, so I still don't know what the source is. You know these things sometimes propagate for no reason. Some guy spews some number and people just take it for granted without verifying.

While looking into it.motorsport posts, I also found this :

[jumpingfish]

This speed increase due to flap rotation sounds rather optimistic. I'm more inclined to think it's the hopium of the person who made up these numbers for clickbait since we can't yet verify whether they're true.

[motobaleno]

sky has just released a camera car of the rotating flap. Definitely it is not a malfunction. maybe a test, but 100% deliberately.

[Paa]

That's worth more than Merc's compression ratio trick. It's the equivalent of finding at least 50 hp on the engine side.

downside is, it can most probably be easy to be copied

The flipping mechanic is probably easy to copy, but that doesn't mean you can capitalize the gains right away.
You would need to rework your rear wing profile/flaps at the very least. Probably also your rear airflow to sync them together so you can gain real benefits.

[Fakepivot]

are mercs sandbagging so much? what was that start? Hamilton basically flew past it really can't be that bad.. are they pretending to act weak and change rule?

[bluechris]

are mercs sandbagging so much? what was that start? Hamilton basically flew past it really can't be that bad.. are they pretending to act weak and change rule?

You question is your reply All this are textbook Toto.

[sucof]

sky has just released a camera car of the rotating flap. Definitely it is not a malfunction. maybe a test, but 100% deliberately.

They had to design a completely new mechanism instead of the central one, you can see them at the rotation points, somewhat bulky devices. So it is 100% deliberate.