2026 Pre-Season Testing

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Artur Craft wrote:
19 Feb 2026, 18:34
Seanspeed wrote:
19 Feb 2026, 18:24
I'm pretty confident Mercedes-powered cars will magically start much better on actual raceday.
Yeah, don´t get too happy about your beloved Ferrari. They can even start much better but Mclaren, Mercedes and RB are faster

Oh goodness, how naive Aston Martin was about Honda :lol: On the other hand, RB was very smart to get rid of them right on time
I don't think anyone needs junk comments like this. You don't know anything about Ferrari, McLaren, Mercedes or Red Bull performance.
You know even less about the Honda PU, since they barely ran any laps.

On the other hand your statement about Honda is factually wrong. They split with RB, resulting in them designing their own PUs. Honda then came back and partnered with Aston Martin.

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AR3-GP wrote:
19 Feb 2026, 18:27
FittingMechanics wrote:
19 Feb 2026, 18:26
AR3-GP wrote:
19 Feb 2026, 18:25
Qualifying will be very confusing to follow. Sector times will be useless. Driver could be 4 tenths off in S1, and still take pole just because they delayed the energy usage later in the lap.
We'll learn soon who is good where.
Not necessarily. Teams might even adapt to one another in real time. So driver could also change the deployment between qualifying runs and then they'll show yellow sectors where they stopped using energy. Drivers could show as many as two yellow sectors and then still put it on pole. Another driver can put in two purple sectors and then finish 1 second off without making any errors in the final sector. This is what I feared. A driver could run perfect lines and be far off just because of energy deployment.

The commentators will struggle to adapt to this. You will never know who is on a good lap since slightly different deployment will cause yellows. The traditional lap time build-up that we know from the previous-gen PU is gone because the lap time is so sensitive to the energy deployment.
:wtf: #-o :roll: What a crappy formula we have ended up with.

This is awful. I can't wait for a time when they get back to normally aspirated engines with sustainable fuel. Junk the turbo and electric power. #-o

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nitrotech wrote:
19 Feb 2026, 19:39
This is awful. I can't wait for a time when they get back to normally aspirated engines with sustainable fuel. Junk the turbo and electric power. #-o
It's fine that you can't wait, because you'd be waiting your whole life. There's around 0% chance for it to happen.

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This new formula will be a nightmare for strategists come the race day

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AR3-GP wrote:
19 Feb 2026, 18:27
FittingMechanics wrote:
19 Feb 2026, 18:26
AR3-GP wrote:
19 Feb 2026, 18:25
Qualifying will be very confusing to follow. Sector times will be useless. Driver could be 4 tenths off in S1, and still take pole just because they delayed the energy usage later in the lap.
We'll learn soon who is good where.
Not necessarily. Teams might even adapt to one another in real time. So driver could also change the deployment between qualifying runs and then they'll show yellow sectors where they stopped using energy. Drivers could show as many as two yellow sectors and then still put it on pole. Another driver can put in two purple sectors and then finish 1 second off without making any errors in the final sector. This is what I feared. A driver could run perfect lines and be far off just because of energy deployment.

The commentators will struggle to adapt to this. You will never know who is on a good lap since slightly different deployment will cause yellows. The traditional lap time build-up that we know from the previous-gen PU is gone because the lap time is so sensitive to the energy deployment.
I don't think anyone will adapt to each other in qualifying, what would be the point.

Each team/driver will determine an optimal harvesting and deployment plan and run each quali lap in a similar way. Just like we used to know McLaren can keep tires alive in S3 now we'll learn Ferrari deploys more in S2 and Red Bull in S1 (example).

If anything for a casual observer it will be less predictable and for us, it will be the same.

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RBR splitting up with Honda might have been the best thing for the team.

Still think Horner and co. Won’t get the full appreciation of where the team is today in this new era of regulations. Mellows joined late on likely to have had little influence, but likely to take credit for the cream that Horner produced
Mess with the Bull - you get the horns.

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nitrotech wrote:
19 Feb 2026, 19:39
AR3-GP wrote:
19 Feb 2026, 18:27
FittingMechanics wrote:
19 Feb 2026, 18:26


We'll learn soon who is good where.
Not necessarily. Teams might even adapt to one another in real time. So driver could also change the deployment between qualifying runs and then they'll show yellow sectors where they stopped using energy. Drivers could show as many as two yellow sectors and then still put it on pole. Another driver can put in two purple sectors and then finish 1 second off without making any errors in the final sector. This is what I feared. A driver could run perfect lines and be far off just because of energy deployment.

The commentators will struggle to adapt to this. You will never know who is on a good lap since slightly different deployment will cause yellows. The traditional lap time build-up that we know from the previous-gen PU is gone because the lap time is so sensitive to the energy deployment.
:wtf: #-o :roll: What a crappy formula we have ended up with.

This is awful. I can't wait for a time when they get back to normally aspirated engines with sustainable fuel. Junk the turbo and electric power. #-o
F1 should be fuel limited. It's the best compromise between sustainability and manufacturer appeal. A turbo formula is the only option if you want low fuel loads (light cars) and high power, barring the reintroduction of refueling. Just pair it with a small, spec MGU-H and you will have no turbo lag. Then pick a desired fuel flow that caps out at 15 000 RPM (100 kg/hr should get 800+ BHP). Then limit the cars to 7 gears. This would produce light engines that rev like V8s and put out almost V10 power, while car weight would likely end up at 650-700kg. If you use a V8 or V10 you would lose out on power and would have to haul around more fuel during the races, making the cars bulkier and less nimble compared to a V6 turbo.

But realistically we will have to deal with these engines until at least 2027, when the FIA might be forced to adjust the MGU-K deployment down and fuel flow up a bit. Realistically you can't make a call on this during testing though. First you need to see how these cars race in order to make a call. If it turns out they do actually race well this discussion during testing has been all for nothing. In 2031 we might get a clean-sheet engine formula, but you can be sure that it will include a turbo.

So in conclusion. Let these cars race before deciding whether you hate the engine formula or not, since it's ultimately the excitement produced by the racing that decides whether it's a success or not. Testing says nothing about how these cars race.

For what it's worth I'm at least extremely excited about the aero regs and these tests. Active aero in action is really cool and I'm super excited over the very different interpretations of them, especially the innovations from Ferrari.
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chrisc90 wrote:
19 Feb 2026, 20:19
RBR splitting up with Honda might have been the best thing for the team.

Still think Horner and co. Won’t get the full appreciation of where the team is today in this new era of regulations. Mellows joined late on likely to have had little influence, but likely to take credit for the cream that Horner produced
It's no different to how the average fan says that Lewis and Toto turned Mercedes into winners, when the 2014 era PU that made them winners had been in development for years before they even walked through the door. They were minimal impact.

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dominaze wrote:
19 Feb 2026, 19:54
This new formula will be a nightmare for strategists come the race day
I think even the overtaking tactics might be more complicated than the race strategies of the past few years.

btw: the way ALO hopped out of the car today was for me another circumstantial evidence to the theory that got banned...

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mzso wrote:
19 Feb 2026, 13:23
purestpurist wrote:
19 Feb 2026, 09:33
Can't see a non-mercedes powered car finishing on the podium this year, but hopefully mclaren will be close enough there's at least a little intrigue
FFS with this oracle crap already. Why don't you give the drivers' final scores?

It's the same nonsense when people proclaimed Leclerc as a champion after three races in 2022. He was barely third in the final result (3 points in front of Perez) and 146 points behind, which is almost 6 race wins worth of points...
At least Red Bull and Ferrari seems just as solid. Also there's a good chance AM will pull themselves together during the year. Red Bull when lead by Newey did came back often during the year with updates.
Red Bull never "came back during the year" with Newey. Winning in mexico and maybe one other off week Mercedes decided to be generous is not "coming back during the year."

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Just saw PIA/MAX/HAM race sim times…I think Ferrari got them covered, not sure about Mercedes but Hamilton was a tenth or so shy of them but he did his run at 10C higher track temps (40.3C).

I have a feeling Leclerc tomorrow will throw down the gaunlet.

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I've seen race starts with Ferrari engine cars being fast from the line. Some are explaining it with smaller turbo.

Why would that be an advantage, all the cars are sitting for 10-15 seconds on the grid and can spool the turbo up in time (if they start before the red lights start the countdown).

Could the faster starts be down to more engine power? Either a higher engine more or just engine with more HP?

I seem to remember Ferrari being better in tests than in the season, maybe they just allow more power? I could be (probably am) wrong, just thought smaller turbo explanation makes no sense if people kept their rpm high.

What might make a difference is that apparently Ferrari has the shortest first gear, that could help with getting off the line. If that is the case McLaren should be good as well because theirs are short as well.

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Merc has shorter gearing then Ferrari and I doubt Ferrari would trade turbo size for better starting position and worse top end.

Must be something else but they certainly are flying of the line.

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ferkan wrote:
19 Feb 2026, 22:54
Merc has shorter gearing then Ferrari and I doubt Ferrari would trade turbo size for better starting position and worse top end.

Must be something else but they certainly are flying of the line.
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According to this post Ferrari has shorter 1st gear.

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FittingMechanics wrote:
19 Feb 2026, 22:25
I've seen race starts with Ferrari engine cars being fast from the line. Some are explaining it with smaller turbo.

Why would that be an advantage, all the cars are sitting for 10-15 seconds on the grid and can spool the turbo up in time (if they start before the red lights start the countdown).

Could the faster starts be down to more engine power? Either a higher engine more or just engine with more HP?
Spooling doesn’t get rid of the start problem. It’s only half the picture. The second half is what happens when the clutch goes out and drive is engaged. Most cars will drop engine RPM and that starves the turbo during the getaway, especially a less responsive turbo. So you want a more responsive turbo as it gives you more “get up and go” during all phases of the getaway.
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