2026 Aston Martin Aramco Formula One Team

[venkyhere]

Nice.
This thread is like a hollywood movie, with many plot twists.
The topics have changed from :
being about the car, to
being about Honda & their capability (both in support & against) , to
being about Alonso & his character (both in support & against) , to
being a character study of so many 'other drivers' (even Kimi was brought in) , to
.. what next ?

and yet, no one (apart from two members) is addressing the elephant in the room :
How long will Lawrence Stroll wait ?
and if there is an answer to the above, based on what promise, and from whom ?
Unless there is someone who knows someone, who knows someone, who knows someone working in AMR, we will keep going in circles in this thread.
I think we should just freeze (with only moderators with write access) this thread until a day/two before Melbourne - will be better for everyone to relax a bit and come refreshed.

[dialtone]

and yet, no one (apart from two members) is addressing the elephant in the room :
How long will Lawrence Stroll wait ?
and if there is an answer to the above, based on what promise, and from whom ?
Unless there is someone who knows someone, who knows someone, who knows someone working in AMR, we will keep going in circles in this thread.
I think we should just freeze (with only moderators with write access) this thread until a day/two before Melbourne - will be better for everyone to relax a bit and come refreshed.

Why does what Lawrence Stroll want, have to be the elephant in the room?

We have more interest than ever in F1 in the world, manufacturers are fighting lawsuits to get their car on the grid, largest grid in decades, every team is basically profitable and the budget cap guarantees that in the long run the season is competitive for very long.

There is no reason to leave or behave like it's win or go home. There was too much hype about Newey, he needs time, took multiple years for Todt, Byrne, Brown and Schumi to win it all with Ferrari. There needs to be respect for the sport, it's not easy to deliver at the top, if money was winning championships Toyota would have won one. Clearly AMR has the people, can't judge a multi-year process after 3 weeks.

If Lawrence Stroll has an elephant in the room is that he wants to win a championship and keeps his son in the car, that's the only elephant.

[diffuser]

Nice.
This thread is like a hollywood movie, with many plot twists.
The topics have changed from :
being about the car, to
being about Honda & their capability (both in support & against) , to
being about Alonso & his character (both in support & against) , to
being a character study of so many 'other drivers' (even Kimi was brought in) , to
.. what next ?

and yet, no one (apart from two members) is addressing the elephant in the room :
How long will Lawrence Stroll wait ?
and if there is an answer to the above, based on what promise, and from whom ?
Unless there is someone who knows someone, who knows someone, who knows someone working in AMR, we will keep going in circles in this thread.
I think we should just freeze (with only moderators with write access) this thread until a day/two before Melbourne - will be better for everyone to relax a bit and come refreshed.

Lawrence wait for what ? Newey, Honda or both ?

[davidfroshanzen]

Reported on BBC…….
Several sources told BBC Sport this week that Newey said at Wednesday's meeting of the F1 Commission - a rule-making body comprising all the teams as well as F1 and the FIA - that the Honda could not even recover at the lower limit of 250kw, let alone the higher one of 350kw, which comes into force under certain circumstances in the highly complex rules.

unbelievable !!!

Honda should buy the engine and transmission blueprints from Mercedes or Ferrari. otherwise AMR will be sick for 3 years like mclaren.

[NAPI10]

Nice.
This thread is like a hollywood movie, with many plot twists.
The topics have changed from :
being about the car, to
being about Honda & their capability (both in support & against) , to
being about Alonso & his character (both in support & against) , to
being a character study of so many 'other drivers' (even Kimi was brought in) , to
.. what next ?

and yet, no one (apart from two members) is addressing the elephant in the room :
How long will Lawrence Stroll wait ?
and if there is an answer to the above, based on what promise, and from whom ?
Unless there is someone who knows someone, who knows someone, who knows someone working in AMR, we will keep going in circles in this thread.
I think we should just freeze (with only moderators with write access) this thread until a day/two before Melbourne - will be better for everyone to relax a bit and come refreshed.

Lawrence wait for what ? Newey, Honda or both ?

In 2021, Lawrence made the comment that , this is a 10 year project to build a championship winning team.
5 years are already gone and team is on downward trajectory till date. He might have built this for Lance but he is a businessman at the core. He will dilute the stake if team value start eroding.

[krich]

Reported on BBC…….
Several sources told BBC Sport this week that Newey said at Wednesday's meeting of the F1 Commission - a rule-making body comprising all the teams as well as F1 and the FIA - that the Honda could not even recover at the lower limit of 250kw, let alone the higher one of 350kw, which comes into force under certain circumstances in the highly complex rules.

I cant believe it.. its just impossible they mess up this bad

[FNTC]

It's from Andrew Benson:

https://www.bbc.com/sport/formula1/arti ... 7e1djpg3mo

Both the internal combustion engine and hybrid elements of the new Honda power-unit are said to be well behind the best.

Several sources told BBC Sport this week that Newey said at Wednesday's meeting of the F1 Commission - a rule-making body comprising all the teams as well as F1 and the FIA - that the Honda power-unit could not even recover energy at the lower limit of 250kw, let alone the higher one of 350kw, which comes into force under certain circumstances in the highly complex rules.

The problems with the engine make it difficult to make any judgement on the car. There is no question it was slow in the corners - but the Honda is running so badly that it's hard for the team to work out where the car is, and therefore how to improve it.

This is exacerbated by the fact Aston's first in-house gearbox - they have bought them in previously - is not communicating with the engine properly, and keeps behaving oddly, making life even more difficult for the drivers.

[mzso]

No, he wasnt patient, which is totally understandable. No one wants to drive at the back of the grid, especially not a double world champion and one of the greatest drivers the Sport has ever seen. What do you want him to do, praise them? Lets put a dummy in his mouth and make him wear diapers while we are at it.

Common decency is expected.

This sounds like you have a personal issue going on with Alonso. Is it his beard or the Jawline? Both?

He got what he deserved with his behavior. You might say: karma.
You're the one with the personal feelings. It's silly to project it to others. I despised his toxicity. And that should be understandable, even for you.

Alonso's only fault (or merit depending on the point of view) was his deep love for F1 and that sense of revenge he has had for years, of wanting to demonstrate that meritocracy is It also happens in this sport sooner or later.

No one has ever given anything to Alonso, only Briatore and Minardi. He's always had to deal with teams that have treated him badly: Ron Dennis in McLaren 2007, in Ferrari they accompanied him out because they thought Vettel was superior (and in fact it showed) and then in McLaren Honda was the only solution left. Not to mention Alpine who wanted to retire him in 2023 and fortunately he left from there.

Wow. This description could hardly be more biased, painted over and false.

None of the drivers are angels, but it really saddens me to watch any top class driver struggle in a mediocre (or even a backmarker) car. Spaniard is fantastic behind the wheel for his age (turning 45 this year) and still capable of winning races with competitive machinery. We're missing on memorable epic fights, we could be watching at the front...

The lesson is that drivers should care about basic decency.

[edu2703]

Reported on BBC…….
Several sources told BBC Sport this week that Newey said at Wednesday's meeting of the F1 Commission - a rule-making body comprising all the teams as well as F1 and the FIA - that the Honda could not even recover at the lower limit of 250kw, let alone the higher one of 350kw, which comes into force under certain circumstances in the highly complex rules.

So things are worse than I imagined.

The great irony was a rumor, even posted here, that the main advantage of Honda PU was its electric side, with the "unmatched" ability to recharge and continuous use during a lap compared to others.

[Mansell89]

I’m really surprised by Hondas issues.

Forgive my lack of technical prowess- is the ICE this year not fundamentally similar to previous reg?

Aston has the people to get it right but we should have seen the warning signs with high profile changes still happening so close to the season.

Feels to me like this is the year that could make them, if they properly work through the issues.

But that’s little consolation for any neutrals like me who would love to see Alonso fighting at the front against the best

Let’s see what can be done- they get development opportunity if the engine is >3% behind the competitor average performance?

[Sedaxel]

No, he wasnt patient, which is totally understandable. No one wants to drive at the back of the grid, especially not a double world champion and one of the greatest drivers the Sport has ever seen. What do you want him to do, praise them? Lets put a dummy in his mouth and make him wear diapers while we are at it.

Common decency is expected.

This sounds like you have a personal issue going on with Alonso. Is it his beard or the Jawline? Both?

He got what he deserved with his behavior. You might say: karma.
You're the one with the personal feelings. It's silly to project it to others. I despised his toxicity. And that should be understandable, even for you.

Alonso's only fault (or merit depending on the point of view) was his deep love for F1 and that sense of revenge he has had for years, of wanting to demonstrate that meritocracy is It also happens in this sport sooner or later.

No one has ever given anything to Alonso, only Briatore and Minardi. He's always had to deal with teams that have treated him badly: Ron Dennis in McLaren 2007, in Ferrari they accompanied him out because they thought Vettel was superior (and in fact it showed) and then in McLaren Honda was the only solution left. Not to mention Alpine who wanted to retire him in 2023 and fortunately he left from there.

Wow. This description could hardly be more biased, painted over and false.

None of the drivers are angels, but it really saddens me to watch any top class driver struggle in a mediocre (or even a backmarker) car. Spaniard is fantastic behind the wheel for his age (turning 45 this year) and still capable of winning races with competitive machinery. We're missing on memorable epic fights, we could be watching at the front...

The lesson is that drivers should care about basic decency.

Decency. Ok, mate. I see... You're the one who gives decency identification cards. I guess you're also the one who judges and decides whether a person is worth to be called decent. Good to know!

[madridista]

No, he wasnt patient, which is totally understandable. No one wants to drive at the back of the grid, especially not a double world champion and one of the greatest drivers the Sport has ever seen. What do you want him to do, praise them? Lets put a dummy in his mouth and make him wear diapers while we are at it.

Common decency is expected.

This sounds like you have a personal issue going on with Alonso. Is it his beard or the Jawline? Both?

He got what he deserved with his behavior. You might say: karma.
You're the one with the personal feelings. It's silly to project it to others. I despised his toxicity. And that should be understandable, even for you.

I rationally explained why its psychologically understandable for any f1 driver, and especially one of his caliber to act the way he did under the given circumstances in 2015, which is overexaggareted in itself (couple of radio messages).

Here you are going off about "karma" and him "getting what he deserves" again . For me and everyone else
(even you) this can, with confidence, be interpreted as you being emotionally invested in a certain way. You dont have to deny it. Instead you can tell us what exactly it is in the spanish don that raises your cortisol for you to be so happy to announce that you are cheering for a legend of the sport to suffer.

For reference, to remind ourselves of what you wrote:

It was so toxic that I actually rooted for McLaren to fail, which they did spectacularly. And didn't at all felt sorry for him. He deserved what he got. With his behavior and attitude only McLaren wanted him in the first place, so he had nowhere to go but away from F1. (Until Renault got desperate enough)

He has been reaping what he had sown in his first stint at McLaren and at Ferrari in the later years.

Can you go ahead and objectively explain how his time at Mclaren and Ferrari has led to Aston Martins current situation, and how he has thus "reaped what he has sown" ?

[AR3-GP]

Aston Martin and Adrian Newey are not doing themselves any favors by airing Honda's affairs here....That is absolutely one way to sour the relationship. What leaked from the F1 commmision meeting should not have leaked.

[AR3-GP]

I’m really surprised by Hondas issues.

Forgive my lack of technical prowess- is the ICE this year not fundamentally similar to previous reg?

No. The MGU-H is gone and there is a new bio fuel so the combustion and turbo lag methodologies are different.

[Emag]

Aston Martin and Adrian Newey are not doing themselves any favors by airing Honda's affairs here....That is absolutely one way to sour the relationship. What leaked from the F1 commmision meeting should not have leaked.

It’s almost ironic how similar to 2015 this is turning out to be.