2026 Scuderia Ferrari HP F1 Team

[Fakepivot]

Regarding turbo size in 2022 mexico gp they were unusually slow, I remember people blamed this on smaller turbo being impacted by high altitude, but in later year they went on to win and get podium on that circuit.. so did they really have small turbo??

[Juzh]

This year is Ferrari's year to prove that it can innovate AND win, so if they win, everybody will be prepping them up like Mercs in the future. It didn't use to be like this, I remember in 2018 and 19 they were actually rated at the top, even having a slight edge over Mercedes. 2020 completely killed that image and while 22 was better, ultimately they couldnt win nor did they develop in a way that won. So dont let the commentator guys bother you, they'll come around

Also imo Ferrari have an advantage with the turbo because they stuck with the conventional layout for the entire hybrid era. Must've learned some things

I’d argye that Ferrari did keep up with development in 2022. There is just nothing they could do about their entire car concept being destroyed with a mid-season TD.

Up until Spa 2022 they were easily on par with Red Bull. It’s only after TD39 that their car turned into a tyre destroyer that couldn’t keep up. The narrative that Ferrari was getting out-developed before then is a false one caused by tye points tally shifting in favour of Red Bull. But that was really only down to strategy and reliability blunders.

This.
Ferrari just went on a mad spree from Spain to Hungary 2022 screwing Leclerc over so much that the true performance of the car was never fairly evaluated. There is a good chance Leclerc would have had a substantial lead over Max before TD39, luck neutralized on both sides

There's no chance Leclerc has a substantial lead even if you remove all misfortune for both drivers. Verstappen had an 80 point lead over Leclerc after Hungary. Verstappen also had 2 mechanical DNFs in first 3 races. At best Leclerc is a lot closer, but substantial lead? No way.

[Xyz22]

I’d argye that Ferrari did keep up with development in 2022. There is just nothing they could do about their entire car concept being destroyed with a mid-season TD.

Up until Spa 2022 they were easily on par with Red Bull. It’s only after TD39 that their car turned into a tyre destroyer that couldn’t keep up. The narrative that Ferrari was getting out-developed before then is a false one caused by tye points tally shifting in favour of Red Bull. But that was really only down to strategy and reliability blunders.

This.
Ferrari just went on a mad spree from Spain to Hungary 2022 screwing Leclerc over so much that the true performance of the car was never fairly evaluated. There is a good chance Leclerc would have had a substantial lead over Max before TD39, luck neutralized on both sides

There's no chance Leclerc has a substantial lead even if you remove all misfortune for both drivers. Verstappen had an 80 point lead over Leclerc after Hungary. Verstappen also had 2 mechanical DNFs in first 3 races. At best Leclerc is a lot closer, but substantial lead? No way.

He is probably including a normal season and not Leclerc being directly sabotaged by Binotto.

[dia6olo]

Regarding turbo size in 2022 mexico gp they were unusually slow, I remember people blamed this on smaller turbo being impacted by high altitude, but in later year they went on to win and get podium on that circuit.. so did they really have small turbo??

By the time we got to the Mexico GP in 2022, Ferrari's car had already been nerfed and they had already moved on to 2023 long before.
Coupled with reliability issues & the rumor they had to turn the engine power down because of it, Ferrari were considerably slow everywhere after TD39 in 2022 in fact they started being slower even before TD39 which aligns with the engine power being turned down rumor.
I don't think any of that is related to the turbo, let's not forget Charles Leclerc won at the Red Bull Ring in 2022, not Mexico altitude but higher than the rest i think?, He also won it very comfortably, the final gaps were close but if memory serves me right that was because of a late safety car that bunched them up...

[f1isgood]

Regarding turbo size in 2022 mexico gp they were unusually slow, I remember people blamed this on smaller turbo being impacted by high altitude, but in later year they went on to win and get podium on that circuit.. so did they really have small turbo??

By the time we got to the Mexico GP in 2022, Ferrari's car had already been nerfed and they had already moved on to 2023 long before.
Coupled with reliability issues & the rumor they had to turn the engine power down because of it, Ferrari were considerably slow everywhere after TD39 in 2022 in fact they started being slower even before TD39 which aligns with the engine power being turned down rumor.
I don't think any of that is related to the turbo, let's not forget Charles Leclerc won at the Red Bull Ring in 2022, not Mexico altitude but higher than the rest i think?, He also won it very comfortably, the final gaps were close but if memory serves me right that was because of a late safety car that bunched them up...

Sainzs engine blew up at Austria. Not the best comparison. There were engine reliability issues in 2022 and Leclerc started with a bigger one in 2023 with an energy store gone.

[ryaan2904]

Regarding turbo size in 2022 mexico gp they were unusually slow, I remember people blamed this on smaller turbo being impacted by high altitude, but in later year they went on to win and get podium on that circuit.. so did they really have small turbo??

Ultimately though, wasn't it all but confirmed that Ferrari had their compressor in the engine vee? I remember Honda stating that they tried to do that in the McLaren days but that gave them a small compressor which in turn led to a smaller turbine. So to get enough power, they had to run the turbo very hard and it caused them further reliablity problem.

I wonder how Ferrari are able to make the compressor inside engine vee thing work

[dans79]

I wonder how Ferrari are able to make the compressor inside engine vee thing work

Likely better engineering.

[stewie325]

Wonder if HP will seek compensation for their rear wing logo being hidden on straights because of the rotating wing ...

[johnnycesup]

Wonder if HP will seek compensation for their rear wing logo being hidden on straights because of the rotating wing ...

The aramco logo in the AM rear wing is never seen lol

[f1Follower]

I believe letting of of Cardile was masterstroke. AMR is now finding how good he is in Formula 1. 2023 Car got Binnotto sacked but it was Cardile who was head of chassis

[Fakepivot]

well current Aston martin car is Adrian car.. Aston martin social media said as much.. but whatever cardile did make a good car in 2024, it was labeled as basic car by British media but at the first few race it could keep up to a certain extent with red bull in the race and faster than Aston martin, McLaren, and the mercs..

[f1Follower]

I think rather than Adrian Newey it was Rob Marshall who was the genius behind RB. Newey may have started with rear suspension but it was Rob Marshall who refined it. McLaren got him in 2024 and he designed it for them. They were different team and great car after 2024 Miami GP where the new refined parts came along.

[F1NAC]

I believe letting of of Cardile was masterstroke. AMR is now finding how good he is in Formula 1. 2023 Car got Binnotto sacked but it was Cardile who was head of chassis

2023 car didn’t get Binotto sacked..

+ cardille started working in July..

He got solid with 24. Car. People complained about his opinion regarding suspension importance..ferrari tried different and failed. So in a way…. He was right, after all nothing changed with switching suspension concept.

[f1Follower]

I believe letting of of Cardile was masterstroke. AMR is now finding how good he is in Formula 1. 2023 Car got Binnotto sacked but it was Cardile who was head of chassis

2023 car didn’t get Binotto sacked..

+ cardille started working in July..

He got solid with 24. Car. People complaines about his opinion regarding suspension importance..ferrari tried different and failed. So in a way…. He was right, after all nothing changed with switching suspension concept.

It was rear suspension that needed changes from pull rod to push rod for better anti squat. With ground effect cars it was required as Ferrari experienced in 2025 in Chinese GP for disqualification of Hamilton due to plank

[f1316]

I’d argye that Ferrari did keep up with development in 2022. There is just nothing they could do about their entire car concept being destroyed with a mid-season TD.

Up until Spa 2022 they were easily on par with Red Bull. It’s only after TD39 that their car turned into a tyre destroyer that couldn’t keep up. The narrative that Ferrari was getting out-developed before then is a false one caused by tye points tally shifting in favour of Red Bull. But that was really only down to strategy and reliability blunders.

This.
Ferrari just went on a mad spree from Spain to Hungary 2022 screwing Leclerc over so much that the true performance of the car was never fairly evaluated. There is a good chance Leclerc would have had a substantial lead over Max before TD39, luck neutralized on both sides

There's no chance Leclerc has a substantial lead even if you remove all misfortune for both drivers. Verstappen had an 80 point lead over Leclerc after Hungary. Verstappen also had 2 mechanical DNFs in first 3 races. At best Leclerc is a lot closer, but substantial lead? No way.

If you only focus on Ferrari, then it is true. Charles lost: certain wins at Spain (reliability) and Monaco (strategy) + potential wins at Baku (reliability), France (driver error) and Hungary (strategy) which if you add them up - and exclude inherited points from Max - would mean a substantial lead.

BUT as you rightly say, Max lost a couple of second places early on to reliability too, so it’s cherry picking a bit to only have Ferrari fix their problems but not RB.

At the end of the day, this is all in the past, so not a lot of point worrying about it now. The TD hurt Ferrari massively, of that there is no doubt, but we can focus on the future now.