In what is effectively a 10 (now 11) team franchise how tf can that be right?
Is 2025 prize money based upon 2024 finishing order?
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In what is effectively a 10 (now 11) team franchise how tf can that be right?
Nearly irrelevant in a budget-constrained formula. Facilities that Mercedes can rely on for being third biggest carmaker in the world (or fourth, or fifth, it does not make any relevant difference) have a much bigger impact.
Nope. Just the absurdity of Ferrari's special payment.Stu wrote: ↑26 Feb 2026, 22:40In what is effectively a 10 (now 11) team franchise how tf can that be right?
Is 2025 prize money based upon 2024 finishing order?
Maybe but that does not increase Ferrari's winning odds by 1 part in a million. On the contrary, the CR cheat could have been well the by-product of a hugely funded research program on alloys by corporate Mercedes, or even an on-purpose program disguised in mother company the gigantic capital expenditure.
Ferrari negotiated a better contract with FIA and FOM. A contract that sees Williams and MCL paid for it as well.
I think if other teams had the know-how to build an engine to run above 16:1 with the rules as they were written, they would have done so too. I don't hold it against Merc because it's what F1 is about, pushing the limits of the rules. God knows Ferrari has done more questionable things on the engine side and drawn great advantage from it too.Frank73 wrote: ↑26 Feb 2026, 22:56Maybe but that does not increase Ferrari's winning odds by 1 part in a million. On the contrary, the CR cheat could have been well the by-product of a hugely funded research program on alloys by corporate Mercedes, or even an on-purpose program disguised in mother company the gigantic capital expenditure.
because the payout mechanism is convoluted. Some teams get bonuses because of where they finished in the championship over the last several years.
Lmao.Badger wrote:I think if other teams had the know-how to build an engine to run above 16:1 with the rules as they were written, they would have done so too. I don't hold it against Merc because it's what F1 is about, pushing the limits of the rules. God knows Ferrari has done more questionable things on the engine side, and drawn great advantage from it too.Frank73 wrote: ↑26 Feb 2026, 22:56Maybe but that does not increase Ferrari's winning odds by 1 part in a million. On the contrary, the CR cheat could have been well the by-product of a hugely funded research program on alloys by corporate Mercedes, or even an on-purpose program disguised in mother company the gigantic capital expenditure.
As for the payments, this is the most obvious unfairness in the sport alongside the veto right. Not winning for 17 years + finishing 4th shouldn't entitle you to $110 million more than than the constructor's champions, it's patently absurd. Ferrari is not the victim of this system, it's the trust fund kid who gets paid regardless of how he performs
Than McLaren should have been awarded a pizza margerita (not pepperoni, too expensive) from 2015 to 2022.Badger wrote: ↑26 Feb 2026, 23:04I think if other teams had the know-how to build an engine to run above 16:1 with the rules as they were written, they would have done so too. I don't hold it against Merc because it's what F1 is about, pushing the limits of the rules. God knows Ferrari has done more questionable things on the engine side and drawn great advantage from it too.Frank73 wrote: ↑26 Feb 2026, 22:56Maybe but that does not increase Ferrari's winning odds by 1 part in a million. On the contrary, the CR cheat could have been well the by-product of a hugely funded research program on alloys by corporate Mercedes, or even an on-purpose program disguised in mother company the gigantic capital expenditure.
As for the payments, this is the most obvious unfairness in the sport alongside the veto right. Not winning for 17 years + finishing 4th shouldn't entitle you to $110 million more than than the constructor's champions, it's patently absurd. Ferrari is not the victim of this system, it's the trust fund kid who gets paid regardless of how he performs
It is instead well known that Mercedes had been hugely cheating at least from 2014 to 2017 with its super-chips frier MacMerc oil burning engine - representing 95% of merit of those four titles in a row - that was completely illegal cause via alleged oil leak was making additives enter the combustion chambers, which has always been prohibited, and that Fia pretended not to suspect about until everyone had it. Then they banned the trick, but only after Mercedes alone could introduce (at Monza gp) the latest version with all improvements (could fry also big fishes).Badger wrote: ↑26 Feb 2026, 23:04God knows Ferrari has done more questionable things on the engine side and drawn great advantage from it too.Frank73 wrote: ↑26 Feb 2026, 22:56Maybe but that does not increase Ferrari's winning odds by 1 part in a million. On the contrary, the CR cheat could have been well the by-product of a hugely funded research program on alloys by corporate Mercedes, or even an on-purpose program disguised in mother company the gigantic capital expenditure.
"When everyone else does something, they are corrupt FIA-buying cheaters; when my team does it, they are true engineering genuises."Frank73 wrote: ↑26 Feb 2026, 23:26It is instead well known that Mercedes had been hugely cheating at least from 2014 to 2017 with its super-chips frier MacMerc oil burning engine - representing 95% of merit of those four titles in a row - that was completely illegal cause via alleged oil leak was making additives enter the combustion chambers, which has always been prohibited, and that Fia pretended not to suspect about until everyone had it. Then they banned the trick, but only after Mercedes alone could introduce (at Monza gp) the latest version with all improvements (could fry also big fishes).Badger wrote: ↑26 Feb 2026, 23:04God knows Ferrari has done more questionable things on the engine side and drawn great advantage from it too.Frank73 wrote: ↑26 Feb 2026, 22:56
Maybe but that does not increase Ferrari's winning odds by 1 part in a million. On the contrary, the CR cheat could have been well the by-product of a hugely funded research program on alloys by corporate Mercedes, or even an on-purpose program disguised in mother company the gigantic capital expenditure.
All the teams have tried questionable shortcuts in f1 history, but some have been thoroughly investigated and then stopped, others have been covered for.upsidedowntoast wrote: ↑26 Feb 2026, 23:33"When everyone else does something, they are corrupt FIA-buying cheaters; when my team does it, they are true engineering genuises."Frank73 wrote: ↑26 Feb 2026, 23:26It is instead well known that Mercedes had been hugely cheating at least from 2014 to 2017 with its super-chips frier MacMerc oil burning engine - representing 95% of merit of those four titles in a row - that was completely illegal cause via alleged oil leak was making additives enter the combustion chambers, which has always been prohibited, and that Fia pretended not to suspect about until everyone had it. Then they banned the trick, but only after Mercedes alone could introduce (at Monza gp) the latest version with all improvements (could fry also big fishes).
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I doubt that since they would've known that these "tests" would've taken place ahead of time.dia6olo wrote: ↑26 Feb 2026, 17:06Every manufacturer always says something along the lines of it won't affect us. When there's a rule that is specifically aimed at them it pretty much always does affect them.SB15 wrote: ↑26 Feb 2026, 15:33I mean Mercedes still said they're confident with the engines passing the test regardless, so the others manufactuers can try whatever circumstance against Mercedes, it'll still be the same result.basti313 wrote: ↑26 Feb 2026, 13:25
Sounds good. A measurement when hot is a fair solution, as this is the only number that is relevant for the efficiency/power. Like this any expansion tricks are useless.
Still if the numbers in this article are true, there will be a big advantage for Merc through this season. With the issue for them, that they need to dial back on CR middle of this season.
That helps the numbers to make sense, a real shame that the original poster didn’t include sources for the information posted. I’m disappointed in myself for taking the bait.dans79 wrote: ↑26 Feb 2026, 23:05because the payout mechanism is convoluted. Some teams get bonuses because of where they finished in the championship over the last several years.
Read this it explains a lot of it.
https://www.the-race.com/formula-1/f1-2 ... ly-fourth/