General Honda F1 Topic

[Bill]

Apparently abnormal levels of vibration is what damaged the Honda batteries not tight packaging or cooling issues.

[API]

Okay, let's wait for the races and see what happens. Maybe they'll solve it quickly. And if it's slow, there's nothing we can do.

[BassVirolla]

So honda are incompetent because they are not cheating? The Honda pu was running the engine on save mode because of battery overheating since Barcelona. So ones they address that issue we will see the real hondapowerunit but for now we haven't. So are people angry hurling insults but doing that with limited info.honda had to change parts of there pu since newey arrived but they were limited in time.

I will say it another time and no more: Neither Ferrari nor Audi gave any reason to make us think that they are cheating; quite the opposite. Not so clear cut with RBPT, but they finally sided with Ferrari, Audi and Honda.

I see incompetence in being their eleventh continued year as a manufacturer (allegedly; Honda left or did not left? We can't have our cake and eat it too) and not being able to even recover energy at full allowance by the rulebook.

For the sake of this discussion I will put aside reliability and maximum output power (which could relate with vibrations / chassis / gearbox).

[sn809]

Okay, let's wait for the races and see what happens. Maybe they'll solve it quickly. And if it's slow, there's nothing we can do.

Most sensible thing in the whole thread.

[De Wet]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ylHheLNqGOo


Short video regarding Honda issues.

[API]

https://www.the-race.com/formula-1/ever ... -briefing/

I think someone should think about how it will be handled when the rules are changed.
I think there needs to be a longer pre-test period so that the single-seaters arrive at the first grand prix in great shape. It's not a problem that someone loses more, that's how it is, but it's impossible not to race and the car and engine are in this condition. The idea that this would happen to Mercedes, for example, and 4 teams would not start is sad.
Honda and Aston Martin couldn't do it, for me it's an irresponsible approach to F1.
I believe he will make it into a competitive shape, but it will hurt a lot and it will be a long haul.

[mzso]

https://www.the-race.com/formula-1/ever ... -briefing/

I think someone should think about how it will be handled when the rules are changed.
I think there needs to be a longer pre-test period so that the single-seaters arrive at the first grand prix in great shape. It's not a problem that someone loses more, that's how it is, but it's impossible not to race and the car and engine are in this condition. The idea that this would happen to Mercedes, for example, and 4 teams would not start is sad.
Honda and Aston Martin couldn't do it, for me it's an irresponsible approach to F1.
I believe he will make it into a competitive shape, but it will hurt a lot and it will be a long haul.

The rules are not at fault. They had 9 days to test, rather spread out. AM and Honda hand-in-hand created their own mess. They took the risk and it didn't pan out. The chassis and engine should have been in a testing rig by January (if not earlier), if they wanted to be safe.
It isn't and shouldn't be FIA's responsibility to compensate for the failures of teams or manufacturers.

Anyway, if they're lucky ultimately they might end up with a gain. If after fixing the vibration issue, it turns out that otherwise the car is a superb design and the engine reliably puts out loads of power.

[API]

The engine is missing 80 HP, they say...

[FNTC]

Autoracer says its running around 100hp less due to being detuned

[dren]

Autoracer says its running around 100hp less due to being detuned

Which probably makes up for what, 1.5-2 sec/lap? That puts them close to Andretti.

[FNTC]

Newey also said in the press conference that Honda told them to not run with low fuel, since the fuel dampens the vibrations... So 100hp less, plus kilos of fuel. Etc.

[mzso]

The engine is missing 80 HP, they say...

Autoracer says its running around 100hp less due to being detuned

You combine these up and they will have 20HP more power than everyone else when they fix the vibration issue.

[FNTC]

Probably the other way round, 20hp less when fixed

[plpvlvc]

There was information in the media that the engineer's engineering staff is now 30% of the one that developed the PU for the supply of Red Bull. In any case, Aston is acting very badly towards Honda. Obviously, the problem is not only in the power plant. Rather, the development started late. Newey and the others should calm down and start dealing with the problems they've caused themselves. Should be a shame.

[kptaylor]

Wonder what percentage of Red Bull or Aston Martin are the same 2 years on... It's a fact of life and not some nefarious plot.