2026 Aston Martin Aramco Formula One Team

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Correct me if I'm wrong but the press conference sounds fairly catastrophic...It suggest that the "fix" they brought to Melbourne is just a reinforcement of the battery. However this will not provide a resolution to the wider problem of the vibrations in the rest of the car. The drivers cannot do many laps as a result. The timeline for a "fix" to the vibrations (Newey points to PU entirely) is unknown. This may even jeopardize their participation in China, 1 week later.

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Since then, a solution has been found that addresses the issue from a battery perspective. That will be in place this weekend, reducing imminent reliability concerns though not entirely resvolving them.

““Lance is of the opinion that he can’t do more than 15 laps before that threshold.

“We are going to have to be very heavily restricted on how many laps we do in the race until we get on top of the source of the vibration and improve the vibration at source.”

“What is important to remember is, effectively, the PU, the combination of the ICE and possibly the MGU as well, is the source of the vibration. It’s the amplifier.
The chassis is, in that scenario, the receiver. A chassis, a carbon chassis, is a naturally stiff structure with very little damping, so the transmission of that vibration into the chassis, we haven’t made any progress on.”

Efforts at Honda to develop the power unit through its current issues remaining ongoing however Koji Watanabe, president of Honda Racing Corporation (HRC), was unwilling to put a timeline on a resolution.

“I want to hurry up, but at this moment, it’s quite difficult to say when and how,” he admitted when asked by PlanetF1.com if there was a timeline around a resolution – and whether it would exploit the ADUO process.”
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I still believe these things is not a huge problem and they just need more time to solve it.

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AR3-GP wrote:
05 Mar 2026, 03:11
It seems like a much deeper issue than PU. First we discussed battery being shaken apart. Now it's the entire car...
Crazy shiit.

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It also reads like behind the scenes there is not an agreement on how to go forward (or rather, Newey reject any request by Honda to consider chassis changes)

Newey:
“What is important to remember is, effectively, the PU, the combination of the ICE and possibly the MGU as well, is the source of the vibration. It’s the amplifier.

“The chassis is, in that scenario, the receiver. A chassis, a carbon chassis, is a naturally stiff structure with very little damping, so the transmission of that vibration into the chassis, we haven’t made any progress on.”
However, we heard from Honda after Bahrain that it is not purely a PU problem:
Another possible reason could be the significant changes in the connection unit. Naturally, the main source of vibration is the power unit. However, as is common in vehicle development processes, when the unit is integrated into the car, it combines with inputs from the road surface, and vibrations arise from the convergence of various factors. As a result, it's quite difficult to pinpoint exactly why this situation, which didn't occur at Red Bull, is happening this time. Therefore, this isn't a matter of which team has superior technical capabilities. On the contrary, it's about considering the car as a whole; unfortunately, the converging factors have produced a challenging outcome this time."
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AR3-GP wrote:
05 Mar 2026, 03:11
It seems like a much deeper issue than PU. First we discussed battery being shaken apart. Now it's the entire car...
The battery doesnt have have moving parts and the only moving parts inside the monocoque is likely be the MGU-K, which possibly explain why its transmitting to the steering wheel.

To change the layout of the engine and MGU-K will require a total change to rear end design. I think AMR will need to start working on 2027 car very soon as I dont foresee an after thought solution that can result to winning races.

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Make of this what you will. Newey claims chassis alone would be in the midfield about 0.75s to 1.0s off the leaders. He claims the development in the pipeline brings them much closer.

Adrian Newey has said that in chassis terms the
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AMR26 is potentially the fifth best car: "I could be horribly wrong, but my assessment would be that we are, from a chassis performance view, kind of in that middle group, so definitely behind the leaders. What's that gap? I don't know. I'm guessing somewhere around three quarters of a second, maybe a second. We have an aggressive development plan in place already, with what we have, where we've got to in the factory with that development plan, had we had time to bring it here to Melbourne, we would be significantly ahead of where we will be over the weekend, and hopefully at the moment, that's all quite a good trajectory. So given a bit of time, I see no inherent reason within the the architecture of the car why we can't become, on the chassis side, close to, if not fully competitive."
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TyreSlip wrote:
05 Mar 2026, 02:05
How awful. The vibrations are so bad that they do physical damage to the drivers.
This is giving mercedes 2022 porpoising vibes, and there is no TD039 that can force a change because this is a purely internal issue that can't be mitigated via regulation change.

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AR3-GP wrote:
05 Mar 2026, 04:12
Make of this what you will. Newey claims chassis alone would be in the midfield about 0.75s to 1.0s off the leaders. He claims the development in the pipeline brings them much closer.

Adrian Newey has said that in chassis terms the
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AMR26 is potentially the fifth best car: "I could be horribly wrong, but my assessment would be that we are, from a chassis performance view, kind of in that middle group, so definitely behind the leaders. What's that gap? I don't know. I'm guessing somewhere around three quarters of a second, maybe a second. We have an aggressive development plan in place already, with what we have, where we've got to in the factory with that development plan, had we had time to bring it here to Melbourne, we would be significantly ahead of where we will be over the weekend, and hopefully at the moment, that's all quite a good trajectory. So given a bit of time, I see no inherent reason within the the architecture of the car why we can't become, on the chassis side, close to, if not fully competitive."
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Throwing out numbers like this seems very defensive to me. Like all this is going to do is to put all spotlight on Honda even if the chassis is broken. This partnership looks like its not going anywhere serious.
The FIA folds on a royal flush.

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Unlike 2022 porpoising this is actually a real safety issue that cant be fixed easily it appears. They might have some hope to change things during the season.
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CHT wrote:
05 Mar 2026, 03:43
AR3-GP wrote:
05 Mar 2026, 03:11
It seems like a much deeper issue than PU. First we discussed battery being shaken apart. Now it's the entire car...
The battery doesnt have have moving parts and the only moving parts inside the monocoque is likely be the MGU-K, which possibly explain why its transmitting to the steering wheel.

To change the layout of the engine and MGU-K will require a total change to rear end design. I think AMR will need to start working on 2027 car very soon as I dont foresee an after thought solution that can result to winning races.
I think it would be pretty obvious if it was the MGU-K, cause you can turn it off and isolate. Plus the MGU-K is connected to the ICE it's not necessarily connected to the monocoque. The battery on the other hand is connected to the monocoque, you can see the connectors in the pictures.

I don't think it's a trivial problem that we can figure out.

Wonder if the drivers feel the vibrations in their butts?

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The MGU-K will have to be place inside the monocoque together with the battery I think.
The Honda battery pack are made narrower but taller to make room for the MGU-K

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[Tomás Slafer]: Fernando Alonso: "Vibrations aren't our biggest problem. After a few laps, they become annoying and your hands go numb, but if we were fighting for victories, I could be driving for 3-4 hours straight."

That is Alonso and his competitive nature. Risking permanent body damage for a win.

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diffuser wrote:
04 Mar 2026, 09:23
zoroastar wrote:
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03 Mar 2026, 13:10
On a broader note, will the PU cost cap turn into the next 'token system' in terms of limiting development resources for manufacturers with major issues? It's hard to see how you show up with a competitive engine next season if you are spending the first half of 2026 merely getting your first engine to run as intended. I know ADUO gives some concessions on budget cap, but it's not much.
hopefully the honda guy wasnt BSing when he talked about planning to be competitive after the first few races. im gonna need to see it happen
"BSing?" They just think that based on experience, they figure these things out in that timeline but it isn't a guarantee. They're not gonna put everyone on this. They have people working on multiple sub projects.One of those sub projects is the vibration thing.
they say a lot of things. some of which are based on something they are highly confident in, and some things they are just hopeful for. the lead hrc guys have always been kindof hard to understand because of language and culture barriers, but lately they are saying that they dont know how long it will take to fix vibrations in one sentence, and that they think theyll be competitive after the first 3 or 4 races in the next. forgive me for not having the upmost confidence that they can be competitive by japan, but ive been disappointed before haha. i hope its true though

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I know we have 140+ pages of waffle before RACE ONE but let me pose a few questions:

1) What on earth was Aston Martin doing between January 1 and March 1 2025? It seems the AMR26 and, to some extent, the PU packaging only really came into focus once Newey showed up. And yet the AMR25 was fairly undeveloped and uncompetitive. Was there an entirely scrapped AMR26 concept that we’ve never seen?

2) If the vibrations to the AMR26 monocoque are so severe, is a replacement monocoque not more feasible than redesigning the entire PU architecture, which would set them back even further? Especially since PU spec is frozen? Obviously not ideal but surely the lesser of two evils? Is it possible the explanation is so “simple” that the engine mounts are incorrectly located due to lateness/revisions/miscommunication?

3) IF (and that’s asking a lot) the chassis is “only” 1s off the top teams, is that not still a massive gulf? And what have we seen from this team in the last 8 years to suggest that they can effectively develop mid-season?

Sorry to pour gasoline onto the already healthy fire…
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