2026 Aston Martin Aramco Formula One Team

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fenix4life
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FNTC wrote:
06 Mar 2026, 14:54
Blaming Newey is just silly. If Honda were competent they would refuse to repackage if they could not do it, they obviously thought they could. Also Cowell is there, he should be the engine guru.
Don't forget that Honda is a Japanese company.
Japanese people have a different culture. Saying 'No' in Japan is seen as very rude and offensive. So in case AMR assumed it can work because they didn't say No well then they should read a book about 'working with different cultures.'

I will not say who is wrong or who is right but assuming Honda should have said No is culturally incorrect

Bill
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shingles wrote:
06 Mar 2026, 14:51
diffuser wrote:
06 Mar 2026, 14:43
avantman wrote:
06 Mar 2026, 14:23
The source is Honda itself, google this:
Adrian Newey forced Honda to overhaul their 2026 power unit vision when he joined Aston Martin last year, according to the Japanese manufacturer.

The way Newey conducts himself as a TP is absolutely shocking. Dude’s ego seem to be 10 times bigger than I could ever imagine.
Newey asked Honda to change how the PU integrated with chassis and auxiliary devices. The actual ICE wasn't changed. So it wasn't as big a deal as you make it sound.
Clearly it's a big deal... how the engine is mounted to the car and now there's vibration issue, then you didn't have gearbox or car to test it with till late in the game. maybe each individual change is not a big deal, but they add up.
lack of testing on bench is the biggest problems. If Aston and honda were running simultaneous testing in Austria and Sukura they would have identified problems early ,the car was late because team was waiting over newey so appropriate test were never done .so the should use the first half of season ironing out problems.

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Fernando must be in hell right now. All that anticipation and hype only to end up with arguably the worst car of his career, a car that doesn't even drive. He is effectively having to travel the world, missing time with his family, to sit in the garage and answer questions about things he has no control over.

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I was part of AMF1 until late 2024, since the late Force India times, and I can say that I’m not surprised by the actual situation and probably everybody I know in the team saw this coming.

The leadership in the group overseeing all the chassis and PU is an absolute disgrace, and everyone blaming now Newey or Cowell doesn’t really understand how a big Formula One team works, as they had personnel supposedly competent in dealing with the PU development matters.

I wouldn't be surprised if new leadership movements in that area of the team will happen in the next months as I doubt Honda alone is to blame and I’m sure Newey and Cardile would like some answers on what the team was doing before their arrival, as this is an embarrassment to everyone involved.

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fenix4life wrote:
06 Mar 2026, 15:04
FNTC wrote:
06 Mar 2026, 14:54
Blaming Newey is just silly. If Honda were competent they would refuse to repackage if they could not do it, they obviously thought they could. Also Cowell is there, he should be the engine guru.
Don't forget that Honda is a Japanese company.
Japanese people have a different culture. Saying 'No' in Japan is seen as very rude and offensive. So in case AMR assumed it can work because they didn't say No well then they should read a book about 'working with different cultures.'

I will not say who is wrong or who is right but assuming Honda should have said No is culturally incorrect
Yes, this is very accurate point. Newey though shows nothing but British arrogance. If he thinks his honesty with the F1 media will force Honda work any better or faster than they already do, then he is wrong. I might of course be wrong but from my observations all he does is protecting his own brand, reputation creating excuses for himself from the very beginning.

Leon Kennedy
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I'm trying to calm things down a bit. Have you seen the new front wing? It has very similar characteristics to the one brought to Imola 24. Did they ask Fallows about it? 🤣

SSJ4
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forget newey. the deal was agreed in 2023 for honda to provide the engine. so what were mike krack, bob bell doing all that time.
It's literally a carbon copy from with eric bouiller and ron dennis back in mclaren honda days

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diffuser wrote:
06 Mar 2026, 14:43
avantman wrote:
06 Mar 2026, 14:23
The source is Honda itself, google this:
Adrian Newey forced Honda to overhaul their 2026 power unit vision when he joined Aston Martin last year, according to the Japanese manufacturer.

The way Newey conducts himself as a TP is absolutely shocking. Dude’s ego seem to be 10 times bigger than I could ever imagine.
Newey asked Honda to change how the PU integrated with chassis and auxiliary devices. The actual ICE wasn't changed. So it wasn't as big a deal as you make it sound.
... and not requesting it, more than likely, would have left the car with a badly packaged amount of scrap metal in a form of V6.

There is no technical competent designer in the world who botches the functionality of a machine in order to make changes to the location of ancilliaries.

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SSJ4 wrote:
06 Mar 2026, 15:17
forget newey. the deal was agreed in 2023 for honda to provide the engine. so what were mike krack, bob bell doing all that time.
It's literally a carbon copy from with eric bouiller and ron dennis back in mclaren honda days
i think we should wait for vibration to be solved then then see the real picture .back then it was a disaster mguh problem mguk ,engine lots and lots of problems

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I think Honda is finished in F1. Nobody will ever want to partner with them again. They would have to have a mind blowing recovery in the next few months for any team to give them any trust come the next time the PU regs change..

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diffuser wrote:
06 Mar 2026, 15:27
I think Honda is finished in F1. Nobody will ever want to partner with them again. They would have to have a mind blowing recovery in the next few months for any team to give them any trust come the next time the PU regs change..
chill

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Stefano Domenicali: "I don't want to lie, I'm surprised by the situation at Aston Martin".

➡️ "They shouldn't point fingers at each other!!!!. This is a team sport and the only way to react and progress is by working together".

Leon Kennedy
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SSJ4 wrote:
06 Mar 2026, 15:17
forget newey. the deal was agreed in 2023 for honda to provide the engine. so what were mike krack, bob bell doing all that time.
It's literally a carbon copy from with eric bouiller and ron dennis back in mclaren honda days
Bell wasn't there, and there's no justification for that. Honda is entirely to blame, after all. Not all teams like Toro Rosso can afford such figures. There will be serious economic problems with the sponsors if they don't resolve the situation quickly.

The only hope there is is Adrian Newey, of course. He's already handled several situations in the motorsports world, such as when he made Red Bull choose the Renault engine instead of Ferrari in 2007. There is no such defeat for him, unlike others, like in 2015 he even left F1 temporarily because of those regulations and the underpowered engine they had.

The statements he is making are all strategic, either they change the FIA regulations or they change partners, I don't see any other way.
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They are too short on batteries.. only two

This another limit for the free practice…

Domenicali is right, every session they arrive with a new surprise…

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toyotaworn wrote:
06 Mar 2026, 15:08
I was part of AMF1 until late 2024, since the late Force India times, and I can say that I’m not surprised by the actual situation and probably everybody I know in the team saw this coming.

The leadership in the group overseeing all the chassis and PU is an absolute disgrace, and everyone blaming now Newey or Cowell doesn’t really understand how a big Formula One team works, as they had personnel supposedly competent in dealing with the PU development matters.

I wouldn't be surprised if new leadership movements in that area of the team will happen in the next months as I doubt Honda alone is to blame and I’m sure Newey and Cardile would like some answers on what the team was doing before their arrival, as this is an embarrassment to everyone involved.
Sounds like a reasonable take. It can't be down to one or two people.
Honda!