Mercedes W17

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:shock: The entire rear of the sidepod is almost near the floor! We talk about aggressiveness when it comes to Newey, but this is also extreme!

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Is that ballast on the under/rearside of the "gearbox"?

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Lasssept wrote:
06 Mar 2026, 19:57
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What is it that the arrow is pointing at ?

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Manifold inlet. Looks like there's a pipe going around as well. So maybe they have their water intercooler in the V like ferrari used to.
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Hollow wheel spokes

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AR3-GP wrote:
07 Mar 2026, 13:01
Hollow wheel spokes

https://images.ps-aws.com/c?url=https%3 ... 20x742.jpg
Hold on a minute :D those are, or look to be, fully integrated within the air "chamber" of the wheel.

That's in comparison to "normal" wheels in which the volume inside the tyre is restricted to that between the locating beads of the rim.

This example would appear to have significantly different air mass / volume as part of it's performance attribute.

That will make the tyre structure, through it's support by that air mass shift, different from a conventional wheel.

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Farnborough wrote:
07 Mar 2026, 13:30
AR3-GP wrote:
07 Mar 2026, 13:01
Hollow wheel spokes

https://images.ps-aws.com/c?url=https%3 ... 20x742.jpg
Hold on a minute :D those are, or look to be, fully integrated within the air "chamber" of the wheel.

That's in comparison to "normal" wheels in which the volume inside the tyre is restricted to that between the locating beads of the rim.

This example would appear to have significantly different air mass / volume as part of it's performance attribute.

That will make the tyre structure, through it's support by that air mass shift, different from a conventional wheel.
I agree. I think there could be 2 interactions that are interesting

(1) heat transfer
(2) tire damping effect as air pushes through the passages.
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AR3-GP wrote:
07 Mar 2026, 13:33
Farnborough wrote:
07 Mar 2026, 13:30
AR3-GP wrote:
07 Mar 2026, 13:01
Hollow wheel spokes

https://images.ps-aws.com/c?url=https%3 ... 20x742.jpg
Hold on a minute :D those are, or look to be, fully integrated within the air "chamber" of the wheel.

That's in comparison to "normal" wheels in which the volume inside the tyre is restricted to that between the locating beads of the rim.

This example would appear to have significantly different air mass / volume as part of it's performance attribute.

That will make the tyre structure, through it's support by that air mass shift, different from a conventional wheel.
I agree. I think there could be 2 interactions that are interesting

(1) heat transfer
(2) tire damping effect as air pushes through the passages.
The orifice looks way too big for that, I feel.

But ..... it's air mass that supports weight /load etc.

Basics, like a hot air balloon, or large truck tyres.

Good illustration is those big air bag they use in recovery of tipped over vehicle, they lift tons greater that their material weight by using this principle, usually at low psi (I think less than 10psi) with low dispersed requirements from the casing materials.

Of course, a hovercraft being another example.

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AR3-GP wrote:
07 Mar 2026, 13:33
Farnborough wrote:
07 Mar 2026, 13:30
AR3-GP wrote:
07 Mar 2026, 13:01
Hollow wheel spokes

https://images.ps-aws.com/c?url=https%3 ... 20x742.jpg
Hold on a minute :D those are, or look to be, fully integrated within the air "chamber" of the wheel.

That's in comparison to "normal" wheels in which the volume inside the tyre is restricted to that between the locating beads of the rim.

This example would appear to have significantly different air mass / volume as part of it's performance attribute.

That will make the tyre structure, through it's support by that air mass shift, different from a conventional wheel.
I agree. I think there could be 2 interactions that are interesting

(1) heat transfer
(2) tire damping effect as air pushes through the passages.
I don't think there will be any damping effect, since pressure would equalize all over the tyre very quickly. The only advantage I can imagine is more heat capacity (due to more air mass) which can delay 'deg' of the core by a few laps.