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Why are so many people saying Vasseur will be fired or Charles will leave? Ferrari have done a great job, there is innovation and limits pushed in the car after so long. Wait for the 'macarena wing' and all these teething problems to be solved. If its only engine, they'll probably get ADUO to help. If they can be the next best car until then, imo both championships are still in hand.
Non Ferrari fans come here just to mock us up. In my eyes after watched every single lap that our drivers did from onboard, the car is very good. Unfortunately we felt in a known situation again that one man do whatever wants to FIA and we see the results. It is what it is for now and we can only have hope that we will mitigate a bit the difference we have now by good upgrades and optimizing our Innovations.
Yes definitely. If Ferrari have a clear development path available and they make thise upgrades work then Merc or Toto wont be a problem. They only become a problem if Ferrari or other teams have to change their philosophy with drag and aerodynamics to deal with the cheat engine advantage.
Certainly a crumb of comfort in looking at Bearman’s data. I don’t know how much it cost them - certainly no enough to fight with Mercedes - but if it leaves them 3-4 tenths behind Russell, it’s pretty close to Antonelli and I think that’s reasonable on a bad track. I think it’s probably more like 6 tenths back though, which is too much.
It is a bit better but I wouldn't get too comfortable. If you look closely, Haas are not deploying so much before T1, T3, T6 and then they deploy a lot. Mercs are deploying almost everywhere. The advantage is real
Certainly a crumb of comfort in looking at Bearman’s data. I don’t know how much it cost them - certainly no enough to fight with Mercedes - but if it leaves them 3-4 tenths behind Russell, it’s pretty close to Antonelli and I think that’s reasonable on a bad track. I think it’s probably more like 6 tenths back though, which is too much.
It is a bit better but I wouldn't get too comfortable. If you look closely, Haas are not deploying so much before T1, T3, T6 and then they deploy a lot. Mercs are deploying almost everywhere. The advantage is real
Yea agreed, i dont think this is meant to say Ferrari can challenge Merc, more so that theres more pace to be shown than what they could in quali this weekend
Best chassis on the grid. Amazing job from the team. What a pity the SF26 needs to challenge a car with an illegal engine which was built and optimized around a big power advantage - so of course it’s going to have high levels of downforce and look good in corners. Despite that, the Mercedes was not as good as Ferrari in the corners.
As if Mercedes’ power advantage was not enough, Ferrari was unlucky with their deployment issues. Without that they’d have easily been second fastest as has been predicted in the paddock for weeks now.
Nonetheless, I hope they’ll make the best of their advantage at the start and finish on the podium.
As for all the people here talking as if Ferrari did a bad job and even about Vasseur getting fired and Charles searching for another team and what not… I’m lost for words for such extremely small-mindedness.
The car honestly looks pretty good from the eye test. Way better than last year, relatively speaking. It seems like the engine might well be one of the weaker aspects of the car. Reliable, but unimpressive in performance and capabilities.
The Mercedes is simply something else. And I had that sinking feeling back in Bahrain on the second day when Kimi was fastest and I saw the fastest lap onboard - the car just has insane levels of turn-in. Absolutely laser guided.
I don't agree, the engine actually looks solid and and based on what we have seen so far it is not short of power.
What we saw in qualification was poor electrical deployment, technically speaking still engine but also not really.
I am not for one minute saying it's up there with Mercedes, I do however suspect that when the dust has settled (3/4 races into the season) and things are ironed out, that the current perception of the Ferrari PU will likely look very different then.
People, calm down, and stop this negativity.
Fred and Ferrari did a great job. Having the second best car is awesome.
Even better, their car might be the best not counting the Merc power advantage.
I am proud of Ferrari, and the season is very very long.
If you are a fan, then support your team. If you are not supporting then please stop the trolling and negativity. Thanks.
The car honestly looks pretty good from the eye test. Way better than last year, relatively speaking. It seems like the engine might well be one of the weaker aspects of the car. Reliable, but unimpressive in performance and capabilities.
The Mercedes is simply something else. And I had that sinking feeling back in Bahrain on the second day when Kimi was fastest and I saw the fastest lap onboard - the car just has insane levels of turn-in. Absolutely laser guided.
The Ferrari PU is strong and this has been confirmed by Lewis. It’s just not as strong as the illegal Mercedes engine.
Also, you should consider that Mercedes built their whole concept around this power advantage. So even their cornering performance will be positively influenced by that.
Yet, they were not as good as Ferrari in the corners.
The most important thing is they don't lose morale during this part of the year where Mercedes has such a massive advantage. We have no idea what will unfold or what changes Mercedes will make to their car, they may end up fumbling development this year or next winter break and Ferrari needs to capitalize if that happens. Lots of journalists said yesterday that they thought Ferrari had the best chassis and it would be stupid to give up on this year after one qualifying even if it is bitterly disappointing.
Say what you want about Vasseur but uniting the team and ensuring they stay focused is one area where he's shown he's capable in. To fire him would signal they're giving up on these entire regulations and intend to rebuild.. over what.. a Mercedes advantage that may not last past this year? How short sighted that would be.
The question is why is Mercedes able to recover and deploy so much more energy.
Is it because of this compression ratio trick? And if so, how? It seems this advantage is more than just a handful of horsepower. Either this compression ratio trick is worth far more than the media speculated, or they are utilizing it (or something else) in a clever way.
I now understand why Wolff and Mercedes were so vocal about maintaining a 50-50 energy split, and not reducing the proportion of electrical power. They're doing something clever in that regard.
If it's entirely software related, there is some hope others can bridge the gap relatively quickly. If it's related to this compression ratio hack, directly or indirectly, or some other "trick", perhaps there is less reason for optimism of a quick recovery. ADUO is a thing, though.
If this is a baked-in advantage that skirts regulatory guidelines, I sure hope the FIA do the right thing and intervene sooner than later. Having a single team this far ahead, based, seemingly, on a trick regarding PU design, is not okay. No one should desire a formula where one team is essentially driving a different class of engine. It damages the sport and largely renders competition hollow and meaningless. I certainly wouldn't feel personally fulfilled if I coasted my way to a WDC with a half-second margin against every car who isn't my teammate.
But, before I go too far down that rabbit hole, let's wait and see how things shake out after some more time has passed, we've seen more track layouts, teams converge and polish their recovery/deployment software, etc.
Certainly a crumb of comfort in looking at Bearman’s data. I don’t know how much it cost them - certainly no enough to fight with Mercedes - but if it leaves them 3-4 tenths behind Russell, it’s pretty close to Antonelli and I think that’s reasonable on a bad track. I think it’s probably more like 6 tenths back though, which is too much.
I like how the data Analysis is paying no attention to the top speeds after the chicane
The car honestly looks pretty good from the eye test. Way better than last year, relatively speaking. It seems like the engine might well be one of the weaker aspects of the car. Reliable, but unimpressive in performance and capabilities.
The Mercedes is simply something else. And I had that sinking feeling back in Bahrain on the second day when Kimi was fastest and I saw the fastest lap onboard - the car just has insane levels of turn-in. Absolutely laser guided.
I don't agree, the engine actually looks solid and and based on what we have seen so far it is not short of power.
What we saw in qualification was poor electrical deployment, technically speaking still engine but also not really.
I am not for one minute saying it's up there with Mercedes, I do however suspect that when the dust has settled (3/4 races into the season) and things are ironed out, that the current perception of the Ferrari PU will likely look very different then.
Peak horsepower has never been the end all be all of what makes a good power unit in F1, and it's never been more true than with this current generation.
The question is why is Mercedes able to recover and deploy so much more energy.
Is it because of this compression ratio trick? And if so, how? It seems this advantage is more than just a handful of horsepower. Either this compression ratio trick is worth far more than the media speculated, or they are utilizing it (or something else) in a clever way.
I now understand why Wolff and Mercedes were so vocal about maintaining a 50-50 energy split, and not reducing the proportion of electrical power. They're doing something clever in that regard.
If it's entirely software related, there is some hope others can bridge the gap relatively quickly. If it's related to this compression ratio hack, directly or indirectly, or some other "trick", perhaps there is less reason for optimism of a quick recovery. ADUO is a thing, though.
If this is a baked-in advantage that skirts regulatory guidelines, I sure hope the FIA do the right thing and intervene sooner than later. Having a single team this far ahead, based, seemingly, on a trick regarding PU design, is not okay. No one should desire a formula where one team is essentially driving a different class of engine. It damages the sport and largely renders competition hollow and meaningless. I certainly wouldn't feel personally fulfilled if I coasted my way to a WDC with a half-second margin against every car who isn't my teammate.
But, before I go too far down that rabbit hole, let's wait and see how things shake out after some more time has passed, we've seen more track layouts, teams converge and polish their recovery/deployment software, etc.
It is because of the compression ratio, they hace two benefits, push through more drag (more downforce) and more regeneration of energy, which is the key element in this generation.
After seeing what happened to Max yesterday and Piastri just now, let's just pray for no random glitch on deployment/recharge. It can easily send you to the wall.
After seeing what happened to Max yesterday and Piastri just now, let's just pray for no random glitch on deployment/recharge. It can easily send you to the wall.
Both cars finishing the race will be a positive...
