So... the question everyone is thinking...

[axle]

Button will make mistakes trying to keep up with Hamilton's raw speed, Button has never had a teammate that will push him as hard as LH will. It will push Button to do things that are out of his character... we saw it with Prost/Senna & with Alonso/Hamilton.

I don't think FA/LH comparisons are valid. LH was an unknown quantity and not even 100% signed when FA signed for McLaren. JB knows what LH is about and how the team works...JB will not panic if he's beaten this year...as he knows he has 3 stabs at this. And McLaren will benefit from a stable driver lineup.

[marcush.]

The McLaren(or Lewis) like the car sprung pretty hard, we've seen both their drivers 3 wheeling it around corners several times over the last couple years. This tends to lead to locking the inside unloaded tire... really not that big a deal.

The better the car the closer Button will be to Hamilton, if the car is a dog Button will be no where while Lou finds a way to move forward. Button seems easily demoralised and discouraged by anything other than a perfect car. On top of that Button could not pass a light pole if his life depended on it.

Stiff springs front and rear not necessarily the explanation of three wheeling ,in fact a rear soft will enhance inner front wheel lift more ,as the cars do not have any droop travel worth speaking of.

[CMSMJ1]

There are some frankly sickening Lewisphilia going on in this thread. Am surprised the guy can move without all you guys after a piece of his ass or a touch of his Midas hands...

Lewis is not the second coming of Ayrton Senna. He is very good but there is room for improvement. All this BS about unloading tyres and 50% this and 95% that is stinking fanboi claptrap.

Nobody here has driven a 2009 car, nobody here can regularly race for 200 miles in 90 minutes and still be smiling...

If you have followed F1 for a long time you will see that heroes come and go and only very very rarely do superstars keep up the high levels they started with. Look at our good friend Kimi - where is he now? He was the new messiah...and failed to quite reach that pinnacle his fans would put him on. Look at Alonso - he beat MS in the twilight of his career (when he was still the fastest man over 200 miles for most weekends) and now Alonso is rubbish because he went to a new team, did not like it and apparently was trounced by Lewis.

Get a long term view people... Judge people when they have finished their career.

On the specific topic - I think that over the 3 years that Lewis and jenso might be team mates that the scores will be very tight maybe 200 to 180 for Lewis.

You might see that Jenson does have that extra speed in him that he will need to match Lewis for outrightpace on a lap. I also expect to see the racecraft and car management skills come through in Lewis so he will be faster over the whole race and whole season.

Can we have less of the blatant man loving please? What would your wives and girlfriends think if they read some of this syncophantic drivel?

[johnny99]

There are some frankly sickening Lewisphilia going on in this thread. Am surprised the guy can move without all you guys after a piece of his ass or a touch of his Midas hands...

Lewis is not the second coming of Ayrton Senna. He is very good but there is room for improvement. All this BS about unloading tyres and 50% this and 95% that is stinking fanboi claptrap.

Nobody here has driven a 2009 car, nobody here can regularly race for 200 miles in 90 minutes and still be smiling...

If you have followed F1 for a long time you will see that heroes come and go and only very very rarely do superstars keep up the high levels they started with. Look at our good friend Kimi - where is he now? He was the new messiah...and failed to quite reach that pinnacle his fans would put him on. Look at Alonso - he beat MS in the twilight of his career (when he was still the fastest man over 200 miles for most weekends) and now Alonso is rubbish because he went to a new team, did not like it and apparently was trounced by Lewis.

Get a long term view people... Judge people when they have finished their career.

On the specific topic - I think that over the 3 years that Lewis and jenso might be team mates that the scores will be very tight maybe 200 to 180 for Lewis.

You might see that Jenson does have that extra speed in him that he will need to match Lewis for outrightpace on a lap. I also expect to see the racecraft and car management skills come through in Lewis so he will be faster over the whole race and whole season.

Can we have less of the blatant man loving please? What would your wives and girlfriends think if they read some of this syncophantic drivel?

Brilliant

John

[gibells]

There are some frankly sickening Lewisphilia going on in this thread.

Tut tut. The grammatically correct sentence should read 'There is some frantly sickening Lewisphelia going on in this thread.'

Just thought I'd correct you on the post. The rest I agree with totally!

[Richard]

There are some frankly sickening Lewisphilia going on in this thread.

Tut tut. The grammatically correct sentence should read 'There is some frantly sickening Lewisphelia going on in this thread.'

Just thought I'd correct you on the post. The rest I agree with totally!

"frantly"???? tut tut

[Richard]

McLaren will benefit from a stable driver lineup.

Agreed. Hopefully a few years of well matched drivers will be good for them. Looking forward to it. It'll be a nice pairing opposite the Latin passion of Massa and Alonso. Meanwhile RB and Brawn will attempt to run rings around them like pesky over talented kids.

Looks like 2010 is going to be another great year

[raceman]

Looks like 2010 is going to be another great year

Indeed.

[CMSMJ1]

There are some frankly sickening Lewisphilia going on in this thread.

Tut tut. The grammatically correct sentence should read 'There is some frantly sickening Lewisphelia going on in this thread.'

Just thought I'd correct you on the post. The rest I agree with totally!

Apologies.

I am normally good with my grammar :^o

[ISLAMATRON]

There are some frankly sickening Lewisphilia going on in this thread. Am surprised the guy can move without all you guys after a piece of his ass or a touch of his Midas hands...

Lewis is not the second coming of Ayrton Senna. He is very good but there is room for improvement. All this BS about unloading tyres and 50% this and 95% that is stinking fanboi claptrap.

Nobody here has driven a 2009 car, nobody here can regularly race for 200 miles in 90 minutes and still be smiling...

If you have followed F1 for a long time you will see that heroes come and go and only very very rarely do superstars keep up the high levels they started with. Look at our good friend Kimi - where is he now? He was the new messiah...and failed to quite reach that pinnacle his fans would put him on. Look at Alonso - he beat MS in the twilight of his career (when he was still the fastest man over 200 miles for most weekends) and now Alonso is rubbish because he went to a new team, did not like it and apparently was trounced by Lewis.

Get a long term view people... Judge people when they have finished their career.

On the specific topic - I think that over the 3 years that Lewis and jenso might be team mates that the scores will be very tight maybe 200 to 180 for Lewis.

You might see that Jenson does have that extra speed in him that he will need to match Lewis for outrightpace on a lap. I also expect to see the racecraft and car management skills come through in Lewis so he will be faster over the whole race and whole season.

Can we have less of the blatant man loving please? What would your wives and girlfriends think if they read some of this syncophantic drivel?

HAHA, the incoherant rant of a slighted Button "fanboy". LH has done pretty much everything that made Senna famous, He came into McLaren and ran a multiple WDC off the top spot and out of the team, He has won in an inferior car, and he has dominated in the wet.

Waiting to "judge" the drivers till the end of their career is being shortsighted, Anyone paying attention could see that Senna was special before McLaren, MS before his 1st WDC, Alonso at Minardi, and so on. Kimi is out not because of a lack of talant, but because of a lack of desire(and bad management).

If you want to be a Button fan that is all fine, but find a better way to justify it than by bashing people who see Hamilton's very obvious talant. Yes Hamilton has improving to do, but Button has even more improvement to be done, his passing skills for instance are extremely lacking if not non existant, and he is worthless unless the car is perfect, displayed by how RB handled him the last 2 seasons at Honda and the second half of 2009.

[Richard]

Button has even more improvement to be done, his passing skills for instance are extremely lacking if not non existant, and he is worthless unless the car is perfect, displayed by how RB handled him the last 2 seasons at Honda and the second half of 2009.

As I recall, Button overtook a few people in the first few laps in several races this year. Certainly not "non existant", and as I also recall, Jensen used those moves to catch up with Rubens, or pull away from him. Lets see the passing stats for Rubens and Jensen.

As for the second half of 09, Jenson finished ahead of Rubens 4 times and behind 3 times.(ignoring Belgium when Jensen was pushed off on the first lap). My quick mental arithmetic has Rubens scoring 3 more points. That looks a fairly even match to me.

[lebesset]

all looks very clear to me , for the moment .....

hamilton is quicker than button

button is a better strategist than hamilton

15 all so far I think


just hope the car is competitive without kers

[kilcoo316]

The drivers will qualify on fumes in 2010. They will then race about 160kgs heavier. The car that is fastest on low fuel may not be fastest on heavy fuel.

Finally, we have a winner... kinda.

The car will be compromised on either Saturday or Sunday (as the change in weight is too large to avoid compromise).


How well does Button deal with a compromised car?

Not very.



I'm somewhat surprised it took till halfway down the 3rd page before someone copped on.

[compo]

[ISLAMATRON]

You mean a 2xWDC getting paid $40Million a year was actually getting as good equipment at McLaren as Hamilton? I dont believe it... that is absurd... [/Sarcasm]