2026 Scuderia Ferrari HP F1 Team

[AR3-GP]

Keep in mind that the claims Mercedes are holding back in the racers to prevent ADUO makes little sense. The FIA runs the engines on their dyno at full power. 2% performance deficit is ~10HP, which I think Ferrari would likely fall under

I don't buy those stories either. It doesn't work like that now. They are running at the power level which they think is "safe" for reliability. That's it. They might unlock more later in the season once they are confident in the reliability, but it's the same for the other manufacturers.

[wowgr8]

I feel like hoping for Ferrari to challenge for the title would be like hoping for Red Bull to challenge for the title in 2020, the Mercedes advantage is far too big. Even assuming they can miraculously contain the points gap until ADUO kicks in (which sounds like an oxymoron), what are the chances the brand new PU is fast and reliable enough?

[f1316]

I feel like hoping for Ferrari to challenge for the title would be like hoping for Red Bull to challenge for the title in 2020, the Mercedes advantage is far too big. Even assuming they can miraculously contain the points gap until ADUO kicks in (which sounds like an oxymoron), what are the chances the brand new PU is fast and reliable enough?

Thinking about it, I wonder if there’s a bit of tactics here to game the ADUO system a bit? Ie might it be strategically wise to start a little bit behind and ensure you get that in-season upgrade after race 6, give yourself time to work on the concept, and potentially even have an advantage for 3/4 of the season?

Don’t get me wrong, I don’t think anyone would hold of building the the best engine they can - and would prefer to start the season on top - but given the challenges, they may be banking on ADUO as part of the strategy.

[urtsee]

Keep in mind that the claims Mercedes are holding back in the racers to prevent ADUO makes little sense. The FIA runs the engines on their dyno at full power. 2% performance deficit is ~10HP, which I think Ferrari would likely fall under

If the Mercedes customer teams can't work out how to run the unit to its full potential, perhaps the FIA might also struggle to do so.

[f1316]

Don’t know if this was already posted but supposedly they’ll test new software for harvesting in China (apparently mimicking a trick they observed RB and Mercedes using): https://scuderiafans.com/ferraris-digit ... -in-china/

[catent]

Don’t know if this was already posted but supposedly they’ll test new software for harvesting in China (apparently mimicking a trick they observed RB and Mercedes using): https://scuderiafans.com/ferraris-digit ... -in-china/

First time I am reading this. Thanks for sharing.

[johnnycesup]

Don’t know if this was already posted but supposedly they’ll test new software for harvesting in China (apparently mimicking a trick they observed RB and Mercedes using): https://scuderiafans.com/ferraris-digit ... -in-china/

Is this website trustworthy?

[Xyz22]

Don’t know if this was already posted but supposedly they’ll test new software for harvesting in China (apparently mimicking a trick they observed RB and Mercedes using): https://scuderiafans.com/ferraris-digit ... -in-china/

Is this website trustworthy?

No, it's not.

[f1316]

Don’t know if this was already posted but supposedly they’ll test new software for harvesting in China (apparently mimicking a trick they observed RB and Mercedes using): https://scuderiafans.com/ferraris-digit ... -in-china/

Is this website trustworthy?

No, it's not.

I wouldn’t be that definitive. I’ve read things on there that are speculative but also others that turn out to be true. Usually, they quote other sources (eg Italian press) although I will admit this one is a bit vague (“our sources”).

Take everything you read there with a pinch of salt, for sure, but I wouldn’t entirely dismiss it out of hand.

[dans79]

The article isn't suggesting anything magical.

Every team on the grid is going to be working at 100% to find ways of extracting every watt of power out of the ice they can. As the article suggest the hard part is doing it in a way that isn't a detriment to the drivers.

[sucof]

Yeah, sadly every 6 year old who just learned how to write can write such an article.
The part where they talk about "the expected 5 second improvement over the season" is a clear and funny giveaway

Anyways, of course every team is constantly working on their new software. They would be fools not to.
I still do not know if there is any hardware limitation to change your harvest or deployment to be what like Mercedes has. I think this is the main question in the current situation.

[AR3-GP]

Yeah, sadly every 6 year old who just learned how to write can write such an article.
The part where they talk about "the expected 5 second improvement over the season" is a clear and funny giveaway

Anyways, of course every team is constantly working on their new software. They would be fools not to.
I still do not know if there is any hardware limitation to change your harvest or deployment to be what like Mercedes has. I think this is the main question in the current situation.

One of the difficulties of driving with the lower gears is the gear ratios. Ferrari and Mclaren have a very short first gear. It probably helps them to keep the revs up at the starts, but then it's harder to shift down into first during a lap without locking the rears. So that would be a hardware limitation. They are allowed 1 in-season update to the ratios.

[AR3-GP]

edit: wrong thread

[Farnborough]

"One of the difficulties of driving with the lower gears is the gear ratios. Ferrari and Mclaren have a very short first gear. It probably helps them to keep the revs up at the starts, but then it's harder to shift down into first during a lap without locking the rears. So that would be a hardware limitation. They are allowed 1 in-season update to the ratios."

Not necessarily.

This can be blended with throttle modulation during that downshift period I believe. There appears at least some scope within control regulation to achieve this.

Failing that, a strategy of taking 2nd gear earlier than conventional approach will likely bring gains too.

[AR3-GP]

"One of the difficulties of driving with the lower gears is the gear ratios. Ferrari and Mclaren have a very short first gear. It probably helps them to keep the revs up at the starts, but then it's harder to shift down into first during a lap without locking the rears. So that would be a hardware limitation. They are allowed 1 in-season update to the ratios."

Not necessarily.

This can be blended with throttle modulation during that downshift period I believe. There appears at least some scope within control regulation to achieve this.

Failing that, a strategy of taking 2nd gear earlier than conventional approach will likely bring gains too.

What I mean is that engine RPM is tied to the wheel speed. So if 1st gear is shorter, you have to wait longer before you can use it. The engine is not a "free-revving" device. It has a rev limit. Therefore teams with shorter gears cannot enter 1st until the synchronized RPM is below the engine's rev limit. iirc, the gearbox would just reject the downshift if it's too early.

Also, I would assume that Ferrari is already maximizing the 2nd gear entry point.