2026 Aston Martin Aramco Formula One Team

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Otromundo wrote:
13 Mar 2026, 04:16
Last week or maybe the week before I saw a video of a Japanese reporter interviewing a big boss from HRC. He had a life-size model of the engine behind him where you could see that the electrical part + battery were in staggered positions. They asked him the reason. He replied that AN had asked them for the MGU-K to be as low as possible and that they had to modify the engine. That the electrical part above the MGU-K housed "electrical components" (I suspected they could be capacitors, which is something I think is important to confirm, by the way) and that the lower part housed the battery. And that AN's reason was to move the center of gravity as low as possible, something logical and also typical of AN. At no point was AN or AMR criticized.

I've been looking for it for 2 days because I didn't save its address and I would like you to see it. But there is no way. Let's see if I can find it while I wait for P1 to start.
Interesting. However since you're the only source for this so far, I'll leave room for doubt.

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Maybe its some asian thing, but I dont understand how if newey asked them to change it and then they accepted, it is his fault. Are they really not capable of saying no of they think it cant be done?

"Ok, lets just try to do this impossible thing and become a laughing stock when it doesnt work"

I would think it is more probable that they said yes that can be done, and then failed (so far) . But then it is not on newey.

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mzso wrote:
13 Mar 2026, 20:29
Otromundo wrote:
13 Mar 2026, 04:16
Last week or maybe the week before I saw a video of a Japanese reporter interviewing a big boss from HRC. He had a life-size model of the engine behind him where you could see that the electrical part + battery were in staggered positions. They asked him the reason. He replied that AN had asked them for the MGU-K to be as low as possible and that they had to modify the engine. That the electrical part above the MGU-K housed "electrical components" (I suspected they could be capacitors, which is something I think is important to confirm, by the way) and that the lower part housed the battery. And that AN's reason was to move the center of gravity as low as possible, something logical and also typical of AN. At no point was AN or AMR criticized.

I've been looking for it for 2 days because I didn't save its address and I would like you to see it. But there is no way. Let's see if I can find it while I wait for P1 to start.
Interesting. However since you're the only source for this so far, I'll leave room for doubt.
Yes, your opinion seems normal to me. That’s why I want to find the video. The bad thing is that I came across it by chance, and the Japanese language made it quite difficult for me to find information about the journalist. I don't remember his name for the same reason. I was able to find that he has been following the championship for years and that he collaborates with various Japanese media, among which perhaps was TV Fuji? or something like that.

I even had a draft of the message I intended to post along with the video. Then it seemed to me that maybe I was posting too many things and that the video might not be that important. I closed the computer tabs and left it be. Now I regret it, of course.
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Otromundo wrote:
13 Mar 2026, 17:23
diffuser wrote:
13 Mar 2026, 11:45
Otromundo wrote:
13 Mar 2026, 04:16
Last week or maybe the week before I saw a video of a Japanese reporter interviewing a big boss from HRC. He had a life-size model of the engine behind him where you could see that the electrical part + battery were in staggered positions. They asked him the reason. He replied that AN had asked them for the MGU-K to be as low as possible and that they had to modify the engine. That the electrical part above the MGU-K housed "electrical components" (I suspected they could be capacitors, which is something I think is important to confirm, by the way) and that the lower part housed the battery. And that AN's reason was to move the center of gravity as low as possible, something logical and also typical of AN. At no point was AN or AMR criticized.

I've been looking for it for 2 days because I didn't save its address and I would like you to see it. But there is no way. Let's see if I can find it while I wait for P1 to start.
That staggered box Honda used last year was a separate unit, so stacking it on top of the battery now isn’t really a big deal.

From what I remember reading, the change wasn’t about lowering the center of gravity—it was about keeping the car as narrow as possible. That’s probably why the AMR26 seems to have such a large undercut.

They moved the control electronics from beside the battery to on top of it. That freed up space, and they used the MGU-K transmission to reposition the MGU-K from sitting alongside the ICE to almost in front of it.

The regulations require the MGU-K to connect to the crankshaft—if I remember correctly, about 100 mm from the front of the ICE—so the MGU-K has to sit forward of that point.

That’s different from last year, when the regs had the MGU-K connected to the rear of the crankshaft and positioned alongside the ICE.

They’re using the MGU-K’s transmission to connect to the crankshaft, then connecting the MGU-K to that in a way that makes it appear as if the MGU-K is mounted almost directly in front of the ICE.
Well, the super-zero sizing is also another one of AN's priorities, as is normal in their profession. It wouldn't have caught my attention if the one from HRC had said it because I take it for granted. On the other hand, what did catch my attention was lowering the car's center of gravity. Something that is also normally among AN's priorities, but it caught my attention more. I haven't been able to find the video yet, I didn't save its URL and it is being very complicated.
People use "super-zero sizing " term everywhere. Everyone in F1 wants everything smaller lighter and stronger, not just AN.

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CHT wrote:
13 Mar 2026, 05:38
SealTheRealDeal wrote:
13 Mar 2026, 05:18
https://twitter.com/agustinms67/status/ ... 1202697235
I don't know, but I don't think the MGU-K would cause the car to shake like that while the car is stopped.
2026 MGU-K are much bigger and heavier and its attached to ICE.
When MGU-K is closely attached on its side to the engine, there will be less rotational effect when ICE vibrate.
Under the current set up, the MGU-K is attached at the end, with is C.G further away from the ICE.
Which mean any movement from the ICE on the MGU-K will increase rotational effect due to perpendicular distance,

(Moment = Force x Perpendicular Distance).
The rest of the car is lighter and also attached to the ICE.

What is the difference from the center of mass in perpendicular distance between the 2 positions? I don't think maybe a dozen centimeters would be the difference between the car being stable and the car shaking violently, especially if the MGU-K itself is properly balanced.

Also the car is shaking while stopped, the MGU-K isn't deploying while the car is stopped, it's probably generating but cars harvest at a lower rate then they deploy so I doubt merely harvesting would cause that much shaking. It has to be from the engine revving up to get the turbo spooled up.

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Not sure how reputable these guys are...it was a good read.

https://formula1-data.com/article/alons ... hatgpt.com

Honda is back on the F1 stage at the start of the 2026 season, but its steps are heavy enough to evoke its dark partnership with McLaren. Fernando Alonso (Aston Martin) said he believes his criticism of Honda from 10 years ago could be understood now.

The scene at the 2015 Japanese Grand Prix when Alonso, who was with McLaren, criticized Honda's power unit over the radio as a "GP2 engine" is a memorable memory for Japanese F1 fans. This statement caused a huge stir around the world at the time. There was also a lot of criticism of Alonso.

Alonso said ahead of the second race, the Chinese Grand Prix: "In a way, it's been 10 years now and the way things looked at me at the time may have changed a bit. "Maybe now they think I was right about what I said and did 10 years ago," he said.

"We should have applauded and celebrated," Alonso says of the reality at the time.

Alonso recalls that he was not alone in his frustrations at McLaren at the time. Teammates Jenson Button and Stoffel Vandoorne, as well as the team as a whole, were on the same page, saying "neither the project nor the power unit was mature enough at the start."

"I think it was a frustrated comment on the radio, but up until 2〜3 years ago it seemed like I was criticizing like crazy 10 years ago," Alonso said.

"As a two-time competitive world champion, there's no way I'd be happy with the situation. It's about whether we should have applauded in the car and been happy."

"But now, by comparing the situation then with the situation now, I think people are a little more understanding of us and more understanding of the issues."

The current situation at Aston Martin Honda overlaps with that of McLaren Honda 10 years ago. Last weekend's opening race, the Australian Grand Prix, forced him to limit the number of laps he could complete, and in the final he focused on collecting data, positioning it as "practice" rather than competing for positions with other cars.

Referring to the fact that the car has only covered about one-tenth of its rivals' total mileage since pre-season testing, Alonso said the car has not yet been able to optimise or even take a step beyond the "starting point".

To make matters worse, there is a shortage of spare parts. A series of problems have depleted the spare battery, forcing the team to walk a tightrope where trouble is not an option, a situation that is expected to continue at this weekend's Chinese Grand Prix.

Honda Racing (HRC) trackside general manager and chief engineer Shintaro Orihara said the battery, which suffered problems in the opening race, was continuing to be repaired, but declined to say how many reserves there would be at the Chinese Grand Prix.

"One team" to work together to resolve the issue, but one side remains uncertain.

Meanwhile, Alonso stressed his commitment to working together with "we are one team" and revealed that Aston is allocating its resources to PU development, particularly in the areas of vibration issues and deployment, to solve the challenges facing Honda.

"F1 today is different from what it used to be. There's all the data, there's GPS. There is also analysis that can be obtained from other teams. With those resources, we can help Honda focus on one issue and support them in the power unit area."

However, no resolution has been expected. With the third race, the Japanese Grand Prix, set at Suzuka Circuit, where Honda is at his knees, coming up, Alonso admits it's "hard to predict" when a normal race will be possible.

"There are still too many problems, and every day there are sudden problems with no clear cause. So it feels like we don't fully grasp the problem yet."

Even if further reliability issues are resolved, new challenges lie ahead in improving performance.

"Honestly, I think it will take more time to become competitive. We need to fix the reliability issues first, but we're also lagging behind in power. So it feels like there are two stages."

Alonso's goal for this weekend's Chinese Grand Prix is neither points nor a podium finish.

"I'll do pretty much normal free practice and qualifying, do lots of laps and be happy if I can tackle the full race distance on Sunday."

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Finishing the race is a good goal. But it's going to be difficult, but hopefully they'll try.

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I saw that Audi are under the weight limit. Would be interesting to see what our current weight issues are like. Williams are about 28kg overweight

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Wow, Japanese journalists write interesting things and avoid sensationalism. When I opened the link, I was surprised. I took the opportunity to search around, hoping a miracle would happen and I'd find the video I was looking for. But no...

What Fernando says makes sense. Lance also said that currently they "aren't competing," they're simply "driving around."

The issue of the repairable batteries caught my attention. Honda HRC has mentioned it several times. The fact that they have so few spare batteries is also striking.

During breaks from my search for the HRC video, I changed the subject: I reviewed Newey's cars looking for similarities with the AMR26. The closest is the RB16b: similar rear suspension, Honda engine. They had to modify the gearbox to adapt it to the rear suspension.

For now, the most important thing is to keep progressing. Simple as that. If the FIA ​​decides to change the rules (there are rumors about it), I think it will be good for us.
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Happy both cars actually ran the entire sprint. Let’s see if they can both qualify a bit better and finish the race tomorrow. Great news that the April races look like they are cancelled, so Honda and the team can work uninterrupted on their issues for a full month before heading to Miami. Perhaps that will be the start of the season for Aston and they can get closer to Williams and Audi.

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V10FURY wrote:
14 Mar 2026, 08:36
Happy both cars actually ran the entire sprint. Let’s see if they can both qualify a bit better and finish the race tomorrow. Great news that the April races look like they are cancelled, so Honda and the team can work uninterrupted on their issues for a full month before heading to Miami. Perhaps that will be the start of the season for Aston and they can get closer to Williams and Audi.
To be fair if they push the current engine to like 90% they will be top 10 easily, but reliability is bad that's the issue so the engine on like 40% right now.
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+2 sec, but everyone improved.
Times with full tanks, right?
Or just additional anti-vibro 5 kg

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Kamel wrote:
14 Mar 2026, 09:28
+2 sec, but everyone improved.
Times with full tanks, right?
Or just additional anti-vibro 5 kg
Engine is still about 70-100hp down like in Melbourne, but we got full power on the mguk. Battery is also limited due to spares so its not charging as quickly as it can and well about 10 kg of the makeshift vibration stuff. After all this fixes if it works in Suzuka the car will still be about 20-hp down, but it might be 50hp if they have to limit stuff due to reliability in which case should be where the Red Bull's are currently.
Halo not as bad as we thought