2026 Aston Martin Aramco Formula One Team

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mzso wrote:
15 Mar 2026, 15:35
Jambier wrote:
15 Mar 2026, 14:30
GoranF1 wrote:
15 Mar 2026, 11:38


They run it already at 100%. Have you learned nothing from 2015? This is it.
I agree with this.
Honda will have ADUO upgrades BUT:

- they need first to fix vibration
- so I fear they will not use the ADUO performance upgrade, at least the first

Hence they will fix vibrations and finish races but with same pace than now
That's not how it works. Fixing vibration in itself means a lot more usable power.
As per Honda the vibration fixes don't apply to the homologated parts. I suspect that those metal bars that connect to the heads and the section of the ICE that connects to the chassis have engine mount like characteristics that teams still use various damping strategies nearby.

In Formula 1:
monocoque — rigid titanium mount — engine — gearbox — suspension

Because the engine carries structural loads, any soft mount would ruin chassis stiffness and suspension geometry.

1 - Where damping can happen
Teams can still control vibration in several ways:

Tuned mass dampers
Small masses attached near structural areas that absorb specific vibration frequencies. Example concept related to the well-known system once used by Renault F1 Team.

These can be installed:
- inside the engine cover
- on brackets near the PU
- sometimes on gearbox structures

Structural damping in the mounts themselves
Those triangular links are often:
- Titanium
- thin-walled
- carefully shaped
Their geometry can be tuned so they flex microscopically to dissipate vibration energy.
Think of them as very stiff spring elements rather than isolators.

Chassis damping
The carbon-fiber monocoque itself has some inherent damping characteristics. Teams can adjust:
- layup direction
- laminate thickness
- mounting inserts
to influence vibration transmission.

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Aramco is revenue is getting hit by Iran conflict, AMR is not performing, Saudi Bahrain GP canceled. Good luck to LS.,.

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GoranF1 wrote:
15 Mar 2026, 11:38
wiktor977 wrote:
15 Mar 2026, 10:52
Ashwinv16 wrote:
15 Mar 2026, 10:29
Also want to mentions somethings before we go to Japan
- Mercedes are running at full power now after the sprint race scare thus the massive gap to Ferrari. But customer teams are still on 3.5 on a five scale (As mentioned by Mercedes).
- RBPT is just as unreliable as Honda, but no vibrations and more power.
- Pirelli is secretly Bridgestone
We have no idea how much power Honda engine has simply because they haven't run it at 100% yet. Their problems are excessive vibrations, which cause all the problems, nothing else has ever been confirmed.
They run it already at 100%. Have you learned nothing from 2015? This is it.
That's not true. There is no reason for them to run the PU at 100% when they have major reliability issues caused by vibrations

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venkyhere wrote:
15 Mar 2026, 17:00
diffuser wrote:
15 Mar 2026, 16:46
Ashwinv16 wrote:
15 Mar 2026, 10:29
Also want to mentions somethings before we go to Japan
- Mercedes are running at full power now after the sprint race scare thus the massive gap to Ferrari. But customer teams are still on 3.5 on a five scale (As mentioned by Mercedes).
- RBPT is just as unreliable as Honda, but no vibrations and more power.
- Pirelli is secretly Bridgestone
You're another guy that is a liar and cheat. 90% of what you say is complete BS.

1. Homologation forces identical specification
Each power-unit manufacturer must submit one homologation dossier to the FIA that defines the complete design and operation of the PU. That dossier applies to all teams using that PU.

Key implications:
- The internal combustion engine, turbo, MGU-K, energy store, control electronics, etc. must match the homologated design.
- The control software and operating parameters must also be identical.
- The PU must be “identical and operated in the exact same manner” for every team supplied by that manufacturer.
So the rules explicitly prevent a manufacturer from giving the works team a stronger spec engine.

2. Updates must also be supplied to customers
If a manufacturer introduces an upgraded PU spec during the cycle, the rules require that:
- At least one updated PU must be available to each customer team at the first event the update appears.
The only exception is a rare logistical issue (e.g., supply shortage), where one event delay can be granted.

3. What can differ between teams
The regulations allow only a few limited differences:
- Fuel supplier
- Engine oil specification
- Minor installation-related adjustments (wiring, packaging, exhaust positioning, etc.).
These are declared in the homologation dossier and should not change the fundamental performance capability of the PU.

4. What about running lower power modes?
Technically a team could choose to run a more conservative engine mode (for reliability, cooling limits, etc.), but:
- The capability must exist in the PU for the same modes as the works team.
- The manufacturer cannot restrict those modes only to the factory team.
In practice, differences in cooling, installation, and operational choices can still make customer teams appear to run less power.

5. Why this rule exists
Before these regulations, manufacturers sometimes
- supplied year-old engines, or
- restricted high-power engine modes to the works team.
FIA closed this loophole by mandating identical specification engines for all customers.
Question :
- how does the FIA ensure exactly same hardware, are there physical checks before every race ?
- how does the FIA ensure exactly same 'software/firmware' ? via a simple checksum ?
- how do customer teams ensure that whatever FIA does, is 'enough' to ensure parity ?

they seem like dumb questions, but is there any knowledge about the 'checking procedure' in the public domain, other than documents ? The reason I ask, is because FoM is a piranha club (cliche) and the FIA is a 'hired-umpire', they don't run the sport. Regulation changes are driven by the business side and technical inputs for those come from the teams themselves. And the history of FIA is checkered with 'hush settlements' and 'incompetence in finding cheating vide their own technical competence', and often TDs and 'bans' are triggered by lobbying/evidence from the teams themselves pointing out 'sketchy' things about a rival team.
So the 'doubts' about fairness are not that stupid as you make it out to be.
The ECU is a standard that all teams use. The FIA have access to it all the time.

the FIA Regulations Say
Software Version Identification
- Every re‑programmable device on the car (including the FIA Standard ECU) must have a mechanism that lets the FIA accurately identify the software version loaded.
- Teams must present every programmable unit to FIA scrutineers before each event so they can confirm what version is actually on it.
- All on‑car software versions must be registered with the FIA before use in competition.

The technical regulations refer to “acceptable solutions to verify the programmed software” being defined in the FIA’s Appendix to the Technical and Sporting Regulations (often published as FIA‑F1‑DOC‑033), but the main rules don’t specify exactly which checksum or hash algorithm is used. They probably use something like sha-256 or sha-3 which is almost impossible to fake.

While the FIA doesn’t publish the exact algorithm (for security reasons), their scrutineering process typically involves:
1- Connecting an FIA laptop to the ECU before or during the event.
2 - Running their own tool that reads the firmware and computes a verification value (a hash or checksum) of all code sections.
3 - Comparing that computed value against:
- - The version registered in FIA systems provided earlier by the team
- - The permissible versions list maintained by the FIA
- - Known hashes of approved firmware builds
If those values differ, they can flag a discrepancy for further investigation. This is consistent with core embedded verification methods used across automotive and racing electronics — a checksum or hash of the image rather than just a simple version string.

Hardware - Sealing and Identification
- After homologation, FIA compares parts to cad drawing, seals key PU components with physical tamper-evident seals.
- Each PU component has a unique serial number tied to the team and driver.
- FIA uses inspection sheets to track which component goes to which car.
- Customer teams cannot modify, replace, or upgrade sealed components without FIA approval.

4. Event Scrutineering
- FIA technical delegates perform random or scheduled checks during race weekends:
- - Visual inspection of seals
- - Comparison of serial numbers to the FIA log
- - Measuring critical dimensions (like bore/stroke, turbo dimensions)
- - Checking oil, fuel, and cooling system specifications

5. Upgrades and Replacement
- Under 2026 rules, hardware upgrades are highly restricted:
- - Any new or updated PU hardware must be documented(undergo Sealing and Identification process), approved, and shared with all customer teams.
- - Replacement of a failed component must be logged with the FIA and must be from the same homologated batch or approved replacement.

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wiktor977 wrote:
15 Mar 2026, 17:45
GoranF1 wrote:
15 Mar 2026, 11:38
wiktor977 wrote:
15 Mar 2026, 10:52


We have no idea how much power Honda engine has simply because they haven't run it at 100% yet. Their problems are excessive vibrations, which cause all the problems, nothing else has ever been confirmed.
They run it already at 100%. Have you learned nothing from 2015? This is it.
That's not true. There is no reason for them to run the PU at 100% when they have major reliability issues caused by vibrations
I can only tell you Honda and Aston say they have the PU tuned down. I never saw the ICE rev above 11.5k RPM. They've also never said what % it's turned down.

IMHO, "the vibration problem" is Aston's fault. The chassis was late so the ICE was mated to chassis only in preseason testing. It's on both of them to fix it although most of the dials are on the PU side.


On the good news side? Only 1 race between now and May first!!! That's gonna feel like morphine. Whole month and a half...the whole off season!

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I think someone should ask....So what don't customer teams get?
- They certainly don't get deployment a recharge strategies. That is, where to deploy and when to recharge. That they need to figure out on their own.
- They don't know why Merc made the packaging choices they made. Those choices might only be coming obvious to them now and might require chassis changes that cannot be made till next year.
- PU manufactures like Ferrari and Merc have probably allowed their works team to use the ICE on their chassis for months prior to the Customers getting it for the preseason tests.

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Obviously, if the team has solutions prepared for Suzuka, there will be changes to both the chassis and the engine. Thinking that only Honda will bring the solutions is ridiculous. Both sides will make changes because the fault lies with both. It's just that AM will never admit it.

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krack said in the post race debrief they're bringing stuff for japan

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HPD wrote:
15 Mar 2026, 19:19
Obviously, if the team has solutions prepared for Suzuka, there will be changes to both the chassis and the engine. Thinking that only Honda will bring the solutions is ridiculous. Both sides will make changes because the fault lies with both. It's just that AM will never admit it.
What is it in the chassis that could cause or atleast amplify these vibrations caused by the engine? Purely technically speaking. I assume you have something in mind as i understand your wording as super confident.

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madridista wrote:
15 Mar 2026, 19:34
HPD wrote:
15 Mar 2026, 19:19
Obviously, if the team has solutions prepared for Suzuka, there will be changes to both the chassis and the engine. Thinking that only Honda will bring the solutions is ridiculous. Both sides will make changes because the fault lies with both. It's just that AM will never admit it.
What is it in the chassis that could cause or atleast amplify these vibrations caused by the engine? Purely technically speaking. I assume you have something in mind as i understand your wording as super confident.
I'm going by Honda words.
Watanabe: "It's natural for the engine to vibrate, but it was within the acceptable range on the bench. However, when we installed it in the car, abnormal values ​​started appearing, and it reached a level that damaged the PU and motor, which was the case in Bahrain."
This opens up many possibilities and speculations. And nobody is safe, including AM.

When the vibrations are fixed, believe me, we'll have many Japanese articles explaining exactly what the real problems were.

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madridista wrote:
15 Mar 2026, 19:34
HPD wrote:
15 Mar 2026, 19:19
Obviously, if the team has solutions prepared for Suzuka, there will be changes to both the chassis and the engine. Thinking that only Honda will bring the solutions is ridiculous. Both sides will make changes because the fault lies with both. It's just that AM will never admit it.
What is it in the chassis that could cause or atleast amplify these vibrations caused by the engine? Purely technically speaking. I assume you have something in mind as i understand your wording as super confident.
Vibration harmonics is the issue. This is being made worse by the chassis material which is resonating with the engine.

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madridista wrote:
15 Mar 2026, 19:34
HPD wrote:
15 Mar 2026, 19:19
Obviously, if the team has solutions prepared for Suzuka, there will be changes to both the chassis and the engine. Thinking that only Honda will bring the solutions is ridiculous. Both sides will make changes because the fault lies with both. It's just that AM will never admit it.
What is it in the chassis that could cause or atleast amplify these vibrations caused by the engine? Purely technically speaking. I assume you have something in mind as i understand your wording as super confident.
I wrote earlier today that you dampen the vibrations from several places. It's not about creating the vibrations from tge chassis but helping to dampening them from the chassis.

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diffuser wrote:
15 Mar 2026, 21:03
madridista wrote:
15 Mar 2026, 19:34
HPD wrote:
15 Mar 2026, 19:19
Obviously, if the team has solutions prepared for Suzuka, there will be changes to both the chassis and the engine. Thinking that only Honda will bring the solutions is ridiculous. Both sides will make changes because the fault lies with both. It's just that AM will never admit it.
What is it in the chassis that could cause or atleast amplify these vibrations caused by the engine? Purely technically speaking. I assume you have something in mind as i understand your wording as super confident.
I wrote earlier today that you dampen the vibrations from several places. It's not about creating the vibrations from tge chassis but helping to dampening them from the chassis.
One of the challenges being that it is mass and flexibility in a structure that usually oppose and absorb vibration/frequency, both of which are specifically reduced within a F1 chassis installation.

Light weight, high modulus are key attributes of CF materials, making them so desirable in this construction. Damping of anything is not their fortè.

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sn809 wrote:
15 Mar 2026, 20:49
madridista wrote:
15 Mar 2026, 19:34
HPD wrote:
15 Mar 2026, 19:19
Obviously, if the team has solutions prepared for Suzuka, there will be changes to both the chassis and the engine. Thinking that only Honda will bring the solutions is ridiculous. Both sides will make changes because the fault lies with both. It's just that AM will never admit it.
What is it in the chassis that could cause or atleast amplify these vibrations caused by the engine? Purely technically speaking. I assume you have something in mind as i understand your wording as super confident.
Vibration harmonics is the issue. This is being made worse by the chassis material which is resonating with the engine.
A good example in contrast is an acoustic guitar/violin etc that needs the structure optimized to propagate the string's vibration and amplify that record to givec us the expected tonal audible range.

Where as an electric guitar attempts to remove all structural vibration by being as solid as possible, to then have the electronic pickup in receipt of all the string's vibration that to then make an electrical signal to be amplified by external means.

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OnEcRiTiCaL wrote:
15 Mar 2026, 14:16
Leon Kennedy wrote:
15 Mar 2026, 14:06
OnEcRiTiCaL wrote:
15 Mar 2026, 13:53

Aston Martin situation now is not unique at all.I mean in the past v6 renault always went in Limp mode by vibration. MERCEDES beginning at hybrid v6 also had vibration between the engine and gearbox. Lotus also renault as i remember...,their exhaust did crack by vibration continously. So yeah it will take times. They could install at every components resonance sensors and check where is start and where is goes.
Completely different eras and engines too. Moreover, a manufacturer that has won numerous championships, even recent ones, cannot afford these things, putting the health of the drivers at risk.
I could understand (but not justify) if it had happened to Audi, who were just entering the F1. But not them; they're terrible in terms of both reliability and performance. Something like this can't be allowed to pass. The FIA must intervene.
You cant be serious...
We didn't even know if we talking just vibration or we talk vibration getting stronger by components made from same material and they have the same HZ vibration. We also don't know if anything have to do with the new gearbox from Aston or just damper problems. Not ideal at all the situation, but this what you get when you make new rules and 0 test on gearbox, chassis Engine and Mgu-h together and those made in different countries. Audi is made everything byself. Honda not..
Official sources have already confirmed several times that the vibrations come from the control unit. It has nothing to do with the gearbox or suspension; those are a consequence. Just looking at the onboard during the start, at full revs how the car vibrates compared to the others, it's scary.


I was one of those who believed in Audi because in Neuburg they know how to make engines regardless of F1. However, they don't have Honda's experience in Sakura, so the fact that they don't make everything in-house can't justify this. Just like the news about the problems with Valvoline. They signed the agreement at Silverstone 2023 and you want to tell me that in 3 years you haven't been able to make everything work with the lubricant? Honda didn't even spend the full budget Cup in the 23rd and 24th windows. Whose fault could it be if not theirs?