2026 Aston Martin Aramco Formula One Team

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TyreSlip wrote:
30 Mar 2026, 15:14
Reading between the lines, it is not a real fix, just one for drivers' comfort. The engine cannot be run at full capacity.
My understanding was they couldn't run at full capacity cause of what it would do the drivers and to the batteries. It isn't really a problem to anything else.

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diffuser wrote:
30 Mar 2026, 15:27
TyreSlip wrote:
30 Mar 2026, 15:14
Reading between the lines, it is not a real fix, just one for drivers' comfort. The engine cannot be run at full capacity.
My understanding was they couldn't run at full capacity cause of what it would do the drivers and to the batteries. It isn't really a problem to anything else.
Yes, that is what I mean. The fix for drivers' comfort is at the engine's current capacity. Run the engine any harder and that is no longer the case.

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TyreSlip wrote:
30 Mar 2026, 15:31
diffuser wrote:
30 Mar 2026, 15:27
TyreSlip wrote:
30 Mar 2026, 15:14
Reading between the lines, it is not a real fix, just one for drivers' comfort. The engine cannot be run at full capacity.
My understanding was they couldn't run at full capacity cause of what it would do the drivers and to the batteries. It isn't really a problem to anything else.
Yes, that is what I mean. The fix for drivers' comfort is at the engine's current capacity. Run the engine any harder and that is no longer the case.
Guess you need to try that to see.

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30 Mar 2026, 13:08
If what I read is correct, they said they tested a new component to address driver vibrations. I don't know if they're just referring to isolating the driver from the problem or if they found the source of the vibrations. I think they'll isolate the driver from the vibrations for Miami, and the definitive, performance-enhancing solution will come much later.
I read today a quote from Honda saying they will deal whit root cause of vibration problem during break.
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On chassis side they can work on the weight I believe that’s the main focus

Aero they need to have a real engine to test and develop

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GoranF1 wrote:
30 Mar 2026, 15:57
HPD wrote:
30 Mar 2026, 13:08
If what I read is correct, they said they tested a new component to address driver vibrations. I don't know if they're just referring to isolating the driver from the problem or if they found the source of the vibrations. I think they'll isolate the driver from the vibrations for Miami, and the definitive, performance-enhancing solution will come much later.
I read today a quote from Honda saying they will deal whit root cause of vibration problem during break.
Watanabe: "We will focus on resolving the vibration problem at its root. Until now, we have only applied temporary measures to protect the battery, but it is necessary to correct it in conjunction with the chassis."
You're right, they seem to have found the cause of the vibrations.
If they manage to control the vibrations in 4 weeks, then the problem wasn't so serious after all? Perhaps the MGUK positioning can be modified in 4 weeks, I don't know.
And it's confirmed that the solution also has an impact on the chassis.

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Jambier wrote:
30 Mar 2026, 16:25
On chassis side they can work on the weight I believe that’s the main focus

Aero they need to have a real engine to test and develop
Plus alot of tracks don't have any high speed corners. Think Monaco, Canada. Then how much of the high speed corners are the suspension and how much of it is the weight. Just by reducing the weight will improve high speed corners. Also when you're not great in high speed corners, you're usually measuring in tenths of seconds of lost time, not seconds.

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Something is not making sense. They say they found a solution and the new components worked and were able to reduce vibrations to almost normal but they didnt run the parts for "reliability reasons". They hadnt finished a race before this and are so far down on performance. What was the massive downside to just running the parts? Is data running such a detuned engine even useful? Doesnt make sense.

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30 Mar 2026, 18:06
Something is not making sense. They say they found a solution and the new components worked and were able to reduce vibrations to almost normal but they didnt run the parts for "reliability reasons". They hadnt finished a race before this and are so far down on performance. What was the massive downside to just running the parts? Is data running such a detuned engine even useful? Doesnt make sense.
Sometimes you'll laser print a part out of a material that you could run in FP but not go into qualifying or a race with. When you're not sure and trying to do as many tests as possible.....Seen this done before, even with Wings.

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diffuser wrote:
30 Mar 2026, 19:58
peewon wrote:
30 Mar 2026, 18:06
Something is not making sense. They say they found a solution and the new components worked and were able to reduce vibrations to almost normal but they didnt run the parts for "reliability reasons". They hadnt finished a race before this and are so far down on performance. What was the massive downside to just running the parts? Is data running such a detuned engine even useful? Doesnt make sense.
Sometimes you'll laser print a part out of a material that you could run in FP but not go into qualifying or a race with. When you're not sure and trying to do as many tests as possible.....Seen this done before, even with Wings.
Okay thats plausible. Honda has said that its not a solution but a temporary work around which is what I predicted they would go for as the permanent solution likely lies in a complete redesign, so I was also confused by Krack's comments about never having to talk about it again after next race seemingly indicating that they have fixed the issue for good. In all likelyhood, this solution involves running the PU at less than peak performance.

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So, just a comment, have you noticed that, even with the changes in regulations, management, structure, partnerships, everything, only one thing remains the same: Aston Martin continues to promise and deliver absolutely nothing but disappointment. This worries me a lot; it's been like this for about 3 or 4 years.

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peewon wrote:
31 Mar 2026, 00:37
diffuser wrote:
30 Mar 2026, 19:58
peewon wrote:
30 Mar 2026, 18:06
Something is not making sense. They say they found a solution and the new components worked and were able to reduce vibrations to almost normal but they didnt run the parts for "reliability reasons". They hadnt finished a race before this and are so far down on performance. What was the massive downside to just running the parts? Is data running such a detuned engine even useful? Doesnt make sense.
Sometimes you'll laser print a part out of a material that you could run in FP but not go into qualifying or a race with. When you're not sure and trying to do as many tests as possible.....Seen this done before, even with Wings.
Okay thats plausible. Honda has said that its not a solution but a temporary work around which is what I predicted they would go for as the permanent solution likely lies in a complete redesign, so I was also confused by Krack's comments about never having to talk about it again after next race seemingly indicating that they have fixed the issue for good. In all likelyhood, this solution involves running the PU at less than peak performance.
Stop with the “complete redesign” stuff. Do you know how long a redesign would take? You need to fix the problem. You only redesign parts for performance reasons or when you know that something in your current design is causing the problem. You need to identify the problem before redesigning it out; otherwise, you’ll end up with the same issue.

There are reasons you made the choices you did when you designed the current ICE. You need a reason to change those choices. You don’t just randomly change them hoping for different outcomes.

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Rikrikrik wrote:
31 Mar 2026, 02:09
So, just a comment, have you noticed that, even with the changes in regulations, management, structure, partnerships, everything, only one thing remains the same: Aston Martin continues to promise and deliver absolutely nothing but disappointment. This worries me a lot; it's been like this for about 3 or 4 years.

There has been just too many things happening at the same time and things have fallen through the cracks. Newey has been here just a year. Cardile not even that and these are AM's brightest new chips. It takes time to plug all the holes.

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diffuser wrote:
31 Mar 2026, 02:10
peewon wrote:
31 Mar 2026, 00:37
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30 Mar 2026, 19:58


Sometimes you'll laser print a part out of a material that you could run in FP but not go into qualifying or a race with. When you're not sure and trying to do as many tests as possible.....Seen this done before, even with Wings.
Okay thats plausible. Honda has said that its not a solution but a temporary work around which is what I predicted they would go for as the permanent solution likely lies in a complete redesign, so I was also confused by Krack's comments about never having to talk about it again after next race seemingly indicating that they have fixed the issue for good. In all likelyhood, this solution involves running the PU at less than peak performance.
Stop with the “complete redesign” stuff. Do you know how long a redesign would take? You need to fix the problem. You only redesign parts for performance reasons or when you know that something in your current design is causing the problem. You need to identify the problem before redesigning it out; otherwise, you’ll end up with the same issue.

There are reasons you made the choices you did when you designed the current ICE. You need a reason to change those choices. You don’t just randomly change them hoping for different outcomes.
Did Honda do a complete re-design of their 2015 engine by the time 2019 came along ?

It's possible there is a complete re-design going on behind the scenes at Honda HRC Sakura Japan and they're trying to have it on the grid by next season some time.

Honda and EU customer teams need to find a better approach of communicating due to the distance issue of teams in Europe and Honda Japan. To say that distance is not an issue I think is ignorant and naive. Mercedes, Ferrari, Audi and Red Bull do not have to deal with this distance issue. Toyota's F1 program was all combined on one property in-house in Cologne Germany by British and German engineers.

You also have two different cultures working together on different sides of the planet.

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Honda Porsche fan wrote:
31 Mar 2026, 10:41
diffuser wrote:
31 Mar 2026, 02:10
peewon wrote:
31 Mar 2026, 00:37


Okay thats plausible. Honda has said that its not a solution but a temporary work around which is what I predicted they would go for as the permanent solution likely lies in a complete redesign, so I was also confused by Krack's comments about never having to talk about it again after next race seemingly indicating that they have fixed the issue for good. In all likelyhood, this solution involves running the PU at less than peak performance.
Stop with the “complete redesign” stuff. Do you know how long a redesign would take? You need to fix the problem. You only redesign parts for performance reasons or when you know that something in your current design is causing the problem. You need to identify the problem before redesigning it out; otherwise, you’ll end up with the same issue.

There are reasons you made the choices you did when you designed the current ICE. You need a reason to change those choices. You don’t just randomly change them hoping for different outcomes.
Did Honda do a complete re-design of their 2015 engine by the time 2019 came along ?

It's possible there is a complete re-design going on behind the scenes at Honda HRC Sakura Japan and they're trying to have it on the grid by next season some time.

Honda and EU customer teams need to find a better approach of communicating due to the distance issue of teams in Europe and Honda Japan. To say that distance is not an issue I think is ignorant and naive. Mercedes, Ferrari, Audi and Red Bull do not have to deal with this distance issue. Toyota's F1 program was all combined on one property in-house in Cologne Germany by British and German engineers.

You also have two different cultures working together on different sides of the planet.
They did the redesign in 2017. After getting the original PU running and figuring out what was holding it back. In 2026, they haven't even gotten the PU to run at full output yet. Plus back then, they only had 1 year to get the PU ready for 2015. Here, they been working on it since 2023.
They are working to improve combustion. That wouldn't touch the whole bottom end of the block. Maybe the shape of the piston top.

That's already have fixed the culture thing Since November 2025, AMF1 GP have a team living in Japan being led by Cowell and working with Honda @ Honda.
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