2026 Aston Martin Aramco Formula One Team

[bigblue]

I'm not Austrian, but surely you mean AVL, they're mentioned reasonably frequently in the context of F1 and even Aston's pre-season testing (they wanted to go to AVL, but didn't have time and are now doing things at Sakura, if I remember some news story on the web I read somewhere correctly - I make no claims as to the actual accuracy of that story though!).

[Otromundo]

I'm not Austrian, but surely you mean AVL, they're mentioned reasonably frequently in the context of F1 and even Aston's pre-season testing (they wanted to go to AVL, but didn't have time and are now doing things at Sakura, if I remember some news story on the web I read somewhere correctly - I make no claims as to the actual accuracy of that story though!).

Exactly, just as I thought. Thank you very much, thumb up !!!

[Macklaren]

I'm not Austrian, but surely you mean AVL, they're mentioned reasonably frequently in the context of F1 and even Aston's pre-season testing (they wanted to go to AVL, but didn't have time and are now doing things at Sakura, if I remember some news story on the web I read somewhere correctly - I make no claims as to the actual accuracy of that story though!).

AVL is great. In fact, McLaren went "late" to the Barcelona shakedown in January because they close to take the car to AVL first

[Otromundo]

Well, as is almost normal with any new team, they apparently have a serious organizational problem. It partly surprises me that it happens at those levels, I did not expect it. But apparently things are the way they are.

The chassis that they should have taken to Austria to hang it up, put a bunch of sensors on it, and figure out where the hell the vibrations are coming from (apart from other delikatessen, I imagine) ... apparently ... part of it (I suppose the engine without the chassis) is in Japan undergoing tests. I would like to know if they took an extra chassis to Suzuka for Honda and also if HRC can do anything.

As for the ICE engine, I think they are breaking it in without forcing it due to the vibrations in order not to worsen the situation, simply. In reality, we don't know much about the character of the engine yet.

Another organizational problem has been determining Newey's responsibilities. They overdid it: too many people and tasks under his charge. Luckily, they seem to have realized it.

Even though Anderson's video devoted the second part to general topics, it clarified a lot of things about AMR for me too. It has also helped me understand the current situation by talking about the challenges and problems of the other teams. It is a very complicated regulation and there is also a lot of background noise. Except probably MB, everyone else has some kind of problem.

The mess with the engine compression will stay where it is. The exact measurement of the variations of the aerodynamic elements in motion to transfer that data to the CFD (in this case to CoreWeaver, which seems amazing to me) seems hyper-complex. We’ll see if CoreWeaver can really provide something important in F1 design, I hope so. he says some other very interesting things, but the previous ones are what I remember most.

It is assumed that if the source of the vibrations were the gearbox, then they would be low-frequency, although Honda seems to think otherwise. Although they may refer to the complete cassette including the rear suspension mounts.
It is also assumed that the cause of the high-frequency vibrations that seem to affect the car should be the MGU.

We’ll see how things progress.

[toyotaworn]

The exact measurement of the variations of the aerodynamic elements in motion to transfer that data to the CFD (in this case to CoreWeaver, which seems amazing to me) seems hyper-complex. We’ll see if CoreWeaver can really provide something important in F1 design, I hope so. he says some other very interesting things, but the previous ones are what I remember most.

You don’t seem to understand how F1 sponsorships work and expect CoreWeaver to have any real involvement and impact. Reality is they paid a lot of money to AMF1 for rebranding the WT and will probably place a few lucky engineers (two or three) into a “F1” programme. After a few months they’ll realise a meaningful integration with the wind tunnel is a bigger commitment than they anticipated. After three years they’ll deliver a basic proof of concept that AM will promptly discard because it’s built by people without a proper understanding of how a wind tunnel works.

All this, seasoned with a lot of social media videos featuring Newey’s face talking about how CoreWeaver is shaping F1 and aerodynamics analysis. On top of that, FIA regulates quite tight the collaboration with sponsors under the cost cap since few years ago.

[diffuser]

Well, as is almost normal with any new team, they apparently have a serious organizational problem. It partly surprises me that it happens at those levels, I did not expect it. But apparently things are the way they are.

The chassis that they should have taken to Austria to hang it up, put a bunch of sensors on it, and figure out where the hell the vibrations are coming from (apart from other delikatessen, I imagine) ... apparently ... part of it (I suppose the engine without the chassis) is in Japan undergoing tests. I would like to know if they took an extra chassis to Suzuka for Honda and also if HRC can do anything.

As for the ICE engine, I think they are breaking it in without forcing it due to the vibrations in order not to worsen the situation, simply. In reality, we don't know much about the character of the engine yet.

Another organizational problem has been determining Newey's responsibilities. They overdid it: too many people and tasks under his charge. Luckily, they seem to have realized it.

Even though Anderson's video devoted the second part to general topics, it clarified a lot of things about AMR for me too. It has also helped me understand the current situation by talking about the challenges and problems of the other teams. It is a very complicated regulation and there is also a lot of background noise. Except probably MB, everyone else has some kind of problem.

The mess with the engine compression will stay where it is. The exact measurement of the variations of the aerodynamic elements in motion to transfer that data to the CFD (in this case to CoreWeaver, which seems amazing to me) seems hyper-complex. We’ll see if CoreWeaver can really provide something important in F1 design, I hope so. he says some other very interesting things, but the previous ones are what I remember most.

It is assumed that if the source of the vibrations were the gearbox, then they would be low-frequency, although Honda seems to think otherwise. Although they may refer to the complete cassette including the rear suspension mounts.
It is also assumed that the cause of the high-frequency vibrations that seem to affect the car should be the MGU.

We’ll see how things progress.

Honda did say the vibrations aren't a problem for the PU itself(except the batteries). I'm hoping they start to crank it up in Miami now that they found a solution for the drivers.

On uncharted F1 he said Honda don't run the MGU-K for more than 5 seconds at a time, part of their performance problems.

[SSJ4]

However, Aston Martin had in fact trialled something new on Friday aimed at mitigating the problem.

Given its description of the issue and how it manifests for the driver, this was probably a change around the steering column; something to dampen whatever vibrations are in the chassis rather than transmit them so easily.

Chief trackside officer Mike Krack confirmed post-race that "we had some countermeasures here" and "we tested something in the sessions that was a small improvement, but we could not race it".

"Bringing new parts always brings a risk, so you need to consider that when you make reliability decisions," Krack said.

"They were new parts, so we decided not to go into the race with them, but I think it shows some promise."

https://www.the-race.com/formula-1/asto ... -confused/

[peewon]

Stop with the “complete redesign” stuff. Do you know how long a redesign would take? You need to fix the problem. You only redesign parts for performance reasons or when you know that something in your current design is causing the problem. You need to identify the problem before redesigning it out; otherwise, you’ll end up with the same issue.

There are reasons you made the choices you did when you designed the current ICE. You need a reason to change those choices. You don’t just randomly change them hoping for different outcomes.

Realistically there are only a couple of places where such vibrations can originate. Its either than MGU-K or the turbo. So they know the source of the problem. They may not understand why exactly the vibrations are being produced or why they are getting amplified on the chassis and not the test bench (they admitted they noticed small vibrations on the test bench), but simply by deduction they know the source.

And yes, Im aware that such redesigns cannot happen in a season. Which is why anything they are trying this season will be to mitigate the effects and not eliminate the cause. Maybe something in the chassis can be changed to dampen the vibrations to the test bench levels.

[SSJ4]

Shambolic

[diffuser]

Shambolic

Yeah well it's common knowledge that they are purposely running under powered. That isn't news.

[diffuser]

Stop with the “complete redesign” stuff. Do you know how long a redesign would take? You need to fix the problem. You only redesign parts for performance reasons or when you know that something in your current design is causing the problem. You need to identify the problem before redesigning it out; otherwise, you’ll end up with the same issue.

There are reasons you made the choices you did when you designed the current ICE. You need a reason to change those choices. You don’t just randomly change them hoping for different outcomes.

Realistically there are only a couple of places where such vibrations can originate. Its either than MGU-K or the turbo. So they know the source of the problem. They may not understand why exactly the vibrations are being produced or why they are getting amplified on the chassis and not the test bench (they admitted they noticed small vibrations on the test bench), but simply by deduction they know the source.

And yes, Im aware that such redesigns cannot happen in a season. Which is why anything they are trying this season will be to mitigate the effects and not eliminate the cause. Maybe something in the chassis can be changed to dampen the vibrations to the test bench levels.

Odd firing 90° v6 with shared pins are notorious for being hard to secondary balance. Primary balance is easy.

A vibration isn't gonna result in a redesign. The ICE doesn’t notice the Vibration. Just the batteries and the Humans.

[Otromundo]

The exact measurement of the variations of the aerodynamic elements in motion to transfer that data to the CFD (in this case to CoreWeaver, which seems amazing to me) seems hyper-complex. We’ll see if CoreWeaver can really provide something important in F1 design, I hope so. he says some other very interesting things, but the previous ones are what I remember most.

You don’t seem to understand how F1 sponsorships work and expect CoreWeaver to have any real involvement and impact. Reality is they paid a lot of money to AMF1 for rebranding the WT and will probably place a few lucky engineers (two or three) into a “F1” programme. After a few months they’ll realise a meaningful integration with the wind tunnel is a bigger commitment than they anticipated. After three years they’ll deliver a basic proof of concept that AM will promptly discard because it’s built by people without a proper understanding of how a wind tunnel works.

All this, seasoned with a lot of social media videos featuring Newey’s face talking about how CoreWeaver is shaping F1 and aerodynamics analysis. On top of that, FIA regulates quite tight the collaboration with sponsors under the cost cap since few years ago.

Yes, you are right. There are things that escape my understanding, for now. But you are good teachers and I have always been a good student. Your point of view on this matter seems VERY interesting to me.

[etusch]

This can be true. Because Alo said they are close to other teams at start when battery is full.

[mzso]

Realistically there are only a couple of places where such vibrations can originate. Its either than MGU-K or the turbo.

Two parts that don't vibrate at all, unless they're broken.

[diffuser]

Realistically there are only a couple of places where such vibrations can originate. Its either than MGU-K or the turbo.

Two parts that don't vibrate at all, unless they're broken.

that wasn't me that wrote that.