2026 Aston Martin Aramco Formula One Team

[etusch]

I think this is a good perspective.

[bigblue]

That's clipped out of a longer discussion (the-race The Undercut podcast on YouTube, "Why Adrian Newey's F1 projects only end in triumph or disaster") about Newey, and to some extent the current Aston Martin situation. Nothing new or unknown in there, but fun enough listen about Newey in general.

[diffuser]

I think this is a good perspective.

https://youtube.com/shorts/WINm6HAeqcw? ... czCkrTih5w

If you remove all the trappings from that video, you end up with "they think", "still haven't figured out"..... then "maybe it's Newey's fault for coming up with a good idea".

Anyways it all plays into Newey & Honda both being late. If they would have arrive to the AMR26 show 1 year earlier, this would have all likely played out in the shadows.

[etusch]

That's clipped out of a longer discussion (the-race The Undercut podcast on YouTube, "Why Adrian Newey's F1 projects only end in triumph or disaster") about Newey, and to some extent the current Aston Martin situation. Nothing new or unknown in there, but fun enough listen about Newey in general.

My point is quite different. It is not about knowing something new. But looking the situation as, they aimed something, basically they achieved to build it but it is not working for now. It is probably what lived in all new projects but in this case in front of so many people.

[diffuser]

Kind of hoping this month off means Miami will be like the last preseason test session or the first race of the year. That at some point in tge next 2 races we start to race for real with back third of tge teams. Up until now we've just been going around.

[vassilispapadop]

Hey guys, a bit late joining the party

I had a look at the ALO vs STR "battle" on openf1ow.com

- Stroll's median pace was 98.43s with a 97.68s best on lap 8.
- Alonso was about a tenth behind at 98.52s.
- Alonso was faster on every single straight. And not by a little:
- Back straight: ALO 318 km/h avg vs STR 309 — nearly 10 km/h gap
- Speed trap: 278 vs 274
- Alonso peaked at 329 km/h, Stroll topped out at 317

So Fernando is flying past Lance on every straight but Lance was still setting quicker laps, cause of?

Sector 1. The esses are where Suzuka makes or breaks a lap.
Stroll was 0.16s faster through S1 on average, every single lap.
More downforce, more commitment, whatever it was — he was just carrying more speed through the twisty stuff and Alonso couldn't claw it back on the straights.
I wonder whether ALO chose (or was forced?) into a low-downforce setup to reduce the impact of the “GP2 engine.”

https://jumpshare.com/s/oyyuMZR8N3c8efi9gpTT

[CHT]

I think this is a good perspective.

https://youtube.com/shorts/WINm6HAeqcw? ... czCkrTih5w

I honda the only team with this engine layout?.

[diffuser]

I think this is a good perspective.

https://youtube.com/shorts/WINm6HAeqcw? ... czCkrTih5w

I honda the only team with this engine layout?.

The regs dictate where you can connect to the crankshaft.

The front of the ICE is defined as zero. Moving toward the rear of the ICE corresponds to positive values, while moving toward the front of the car corresponds to negative values. The regulations state that the MGU-K transmission must connect to the crankshaft no further than +100 mm and extend forward from that point. The regs force the MGU-K to protrude out the front of the ICE.

So nobody has the MGU-K right along side the block like previous years cause the regs prevent it.

[mzso]

The regs dictate where you can connect to the crankshaft.

The front of the ICE is defined as zero. Moving toward the rear of the ICE corresponds to positive values, while moving toward the front of the car corresponds to negative values. The regulations state that the MGU-K transmission must connect to the crankshaft no further than +100 mm and extend forward from that point. The regs force the MGU-K to protrude out the front of the ICE.

So nobody has the MGU-K right along side the block like previous years cause the regs prevent it.

If written like this, I don't see this precluding a side MGU. You say it's only for the transmission.

[diffuser]

The regs dictate where you can connect to the crankshaft.

The front of the ICE is defined as zero. Moving toward the rear of the ICE corresponds to positive values, while moving toward the front of the car corresponds to negative values. The regulations state that the MGU-K transmission must connect to the crankshaft no further than +100 mm and extend forward from that point. The regs force the MGU-K to protrude out the front of the ICE.

So nobody has the MGU-K right along side the block like previous years cause the regs prevent it.

If written like this, I don't see this precluding a side MGU. You say it's only for the transmission.

Well, you have 100mm to fit the MGU-K along side the ICE. Anything more than 100mm has to protrud out the front. I don't think anyone can make it that small.

Went back to the regs and there is nothing that says that the MGU-K can't lie between 50 XPU & 360 XPU.

[V10FURY]

Kind of hoping this month off means Miami will be like the last preseason test session or the first race of the year. That at some point in tge next 2 races we start to race for real with back third of tge teams. Up until now we've just been going around.

I agree and also hope Miami will be the first race of the season for the team with a decent step forward. If they can sort out these vibration issues to a degree and turn up the power unit to 100% it should get them closer to Williams as the 9th best team. I think anything more than that is probably unrealistic this year if the power unit is down so much in power, and also so utterly underwhelming in recovering energy. 2027 should be the focus immediately so this diabolical embarrassment doesn’t happen again next year. Dont worry about upgrading this anymore and just spend all time and money ensuring they have a title contending car for 2027. I still think they should probably have a cut off when they switch to the Audi engine system for 2027 also this year . A deadline that Honda must show on the bench and in a chassis that the 2027 engine is both competitive and will not shake the car into bits.

[diffuser]

Kind of hoping this month off means Miami will be like the last preseason test session or the first race of the year. That at some point in tge next 2 races we start to race for real with back third of tge teams. Up until now we've just been going around.

I agree and also hope Miami will be the first race of the season for the team with a decent step forward. If they can sort out these vibration issues to a degree and turn up the power unit to 100% it should get them closer to Williams as the 9th best team. I think anything more than that is probably unrealistic this year if the power unit is down so much in power, and also so utterly underwhelming in recovering energy. 2027 should be the focus immediately so this diabolical embarrassment doesn’t happen again next year. Dont worry about upgrading this anymore and just spend all time and money ensuring they have a title contending car for 2027. I still think they should probably have a cut off when they switch to the Audi engine system for 2027 also this year . A deadline that Honda must show on the bench and in a chassis that the 2027 engine is both competitive and will not shake the car into bits.

The aero rules don't change next year. Might as well keep putting on upgrades get the correlation right. Make use of the real world wind tunnel.

[CHT]

I think this is a good perspective.

https://youtube.com/shorts/WINm6HAeqcw? ... czCkrTih5w

I honda the only team with this engine layout?.

The regs dictate where you can connect to the crankshaft.

The front of the ICE is defined as zero. Moving toward the rear of the ICE corresponds to positive values, while moving toward the front of the car corresponds to negative values. The regulations state that the MGU-K transmission must connect to the crankshaft no further than +100 mm and extend forward from that point. The regs force the MGU-K to protrude out the front of the ICE.

So nobody has the MGU-K right along side the block like previous years cause the regs prevent it.

In the case of Honda PU, the entire MGU-K is in front of the engine, nothing in the + positive region.

Do we have any picture to show how Ferreri, Merc or Audi place their MGU-K. If not then why Honda choose to review theirs? Perhaps to show that the problem is with the mounting of MGU-K as requested by AMR?

According FIA technical document

According to FIA document. Which part of it mentioned about 100mm?

5.20.1 – Mounting
MGU-K must be fixed to: ICE, survival cell or both

Perhaps this is where AMR decided to mount the MGU-K to survival cell?

5.20.2 – Mechanical linkage
Must be permanently linked to ICE, fixed speed ratio to crankshaft
axis parallel to crankshaft

5.20.3 – Power transmission
All power must go through a single shaft connect to crankshaft

[FW17]

So Honda brought in solution to protect the battery from the vibrations.

Newey and AMR were twiddling their thumbs, not protecting the steering wheel, seat or the pedals for the driver.

Just like live with a stiff car, live with vibrations, it was probably a design feature of Neweys to get more downforce and less drag to make the car go faster.

- steering wheel, engine, seat and pedals have to be stiffly fitted to chassis. Maybe you can play with aero surfaces pylons and suspension attachmentd, but the elements you mentioned make no sense at all.
- isn't getting more downforce, less drag and, hence, going faster the leit motiv of a race car?
- when you have a problem is better to patch around or solving the source? Apart from the tarmac irregularities, there are no more vibration sources than the engine and the gearbox.

Aston was not bothered in bringing a better cushion and isolator pads for the seat and steering wheel and column

So they brought a fix to vibrations on the steering system. Decided not to use it or inform the driver about it.

I guess they did not want their chassis problems to be exposed. Mclaren in 2015 with a lot lesser power than the rest of the field was not dead last.

https://www.the-race.com/formula-1/asto ... -confused/

[OnEcRiTiCaL]

Honestly, would be so hard to make run test without battery or at least use the charge discharge function for few laps and see if anything change? Would be hard just run alone the engine and see if still vibration is present? They can patch everything and install dampers everywhere, but the root problem is still will be there ! If I can install a stupid ardunio 3d printer a sw420 sensor and found the source then i cant image they can't!