2026 Oracle Red Bull Racing F1 Team

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But at least Red Bull can make an engine, and Aston doesn't have that.

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pantherxxx wrote:
10 Apr 2026, 04:44
But at least Red Bull can make an engine, and Aston doesn't have that.
Not a chance of it imo, Honda may well come good with the engine Newey is also a minority owner of the AM team. Has a disagreement with Cowell who was the TP and Cowell was moved elsewhere. Newey took over as TP before handing it over to Wheatley not a chance RBR gives him that level of control. Newey has as I mentioned in interviews he enjoyed he didn't have to deal with the politics of needing equipment to build the team/technical dept don't see that changing anytime soon

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Dee wrote:
10 Apr 2026, 01:09
The cost cap caused the downfall of the team.

If the cost cap didn't exist, RB could pay the excellent people they had whatever they asked for after a winning season(s) and be certain to retain them, as they had done for nearly 20 years.

Mateschitz dying is a red herring in my view.

The only way to get more money in F1 after being successful now is to go higher up the ranks in a team or move to another.

2021 - Cost Cap In Place

2021 - 2022 RB win WDC x 2 and WCC x 1

2023 Marshall left (Chief Engineering Officer - 17 years) - became Chief Designer at Mclaren

2024 Newey left (Chief Technical Officer - 18 years) - became Managing Technical Partner at Aston Martin

2024 Wheatley left (Sporting Director - 18 years) - became Team Principal at Audi

2024 Will Courtney (Head of Race Strategy - 19 years) - became Sporting Director of Mclaren

2025 Horner (Team Principal - 20 years) - wanted more power/money - failed - sacked

2026 GP will leave (Head of Racing - 11 years) - signed with Mclaren to become Chief Racing Officer

Now look how long most of them have been with the team. They didn't leave when RB won 4 in a row with Vettel but it was different this time for some reason?...

The reason was money.

RB had the best people because they paid them well and the cost cap stopped them from doing that anymore.

I will add on to this though that Horner was the block to Marshal, Wheatley, Newey and Courtney getting those new roles at Red Bull. If Horner was fired earlier, I do believe they would have all stayed, getting more money in those positions.
You’re aware that all the teams operate within the cost cap?

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But not all operate from the same baseline. The three highest paid team members are excluded, someone like Marshall likely wasn´t excluded at Red Bull but likely is at McLaren.
That´s why they (rumored) could double or even triple his salary at McLaren...

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What if GP decided to leave after 2027 because he already knows the decision Max has taken?

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These two are still at RBR. :cry:

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The Verstappen clan will also be more powerful in the team depends on
laurent mekies personality but it is hard to tell. They might have a stronger say on teammates, development, strategy and so on. Max has expressed interest in team owmership too.
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PlatinumZealot wrote:
10 Apr 2026, 13:41
The Verstappen clan will also be more powerful in the team depends on
laurent mekies personality but it is hard to tell. They might have a stronger say on teammates, development, strategy and so on.

Max has expressed interest in team owmership too.
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? ? ? Where did you hear that? Which team ownership do you mean?

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It was the Machiavellian manoeuvres to oust Christian Horner that caused all of this.

He must laughing so hard at what has happened.

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In my opinion, Red Bull isn’t finished yet, even if things look bleak right now. In recent years, Mercedes has seen the departure of Aldo Costa, Mike Elliot, Michael Owen, and Loic Serra—all of whom were senior engineers—yet the team didn’t fall apart. And they were largely replaced by people from within the team. Personnel aren’t irreplaceable in F1; in fact, a fresh influx of talent is often beneficial. Red Bull racing is still a massive organization, with a huge depth of talent. Wache, Waterhouse, Monaghan, Balbo and others from the dominant 2023 era are still within the team. They know how to design winning cars.

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Matt-A wrote:
10 Apr 2026, 14:40
It was the Machiavellian manoeuvres to oust Christian Horner that caused all of this.

He must laughing so hard at what has happened.
Disagree. Newey and Wheatley all left before Horner was sacked. They wanted him gone and when he wasn't sacked they left. Wache was close with Horner. I can imagine that Marshall left because Horner was putting Wache before him.

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People are too obsessed with high profile recruitments, in a cost capped era this isn't where the competition is won IMO. The cult of personality is misguided as we can see with Adrian Newey at Aston. Far more important is how you work internally, the structure, the facilities, the systems, the internal recruitment. Fixing the correlation issues and getting the new wind tunnel up and running will be far more important in the long run than the perceived value of a few big names. Mercedes was in a similar situation in the last regulation and their resurgence has hardly been the consequence of a high profile recruitment spree.

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"The positive thing is that the start in Melbourne went quite well, with Isack Hadjar’s third place in qualifying," Marko told APA.

"But the updates, especially those in Japan, took the car in the wrong direction. It got worse."

"Over the course of the European season, it can be assumed that Red Bull can compete at the front again."
https://racingnews365.com/red-bull-told ... jor-change

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Valeo wrote:
11 Apr 2026, 12:32
"The positive thing is that the start in Melbourne went quite well, with Isack Hadjar’s third place in qualifying," Marko told APA.

"But the updates, especially those in Japan, took the car in the wrong direction. It got worse."

"Over the course of the European season, it can be assumed that Red Bull can compete at the front again."
https://racingnews365.com/red-bull-told ... jor-change
Allow me to be skeptical :lol: It would have to be one hell of an upgrade to turn the car around already for the European season. The Japan "upgrade" didn't exactly inpsire confidence. Doubt Marko is up to date, though he may not be completely out of the loop with his contacts.

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I am wondering why Marko's words are even relevant to 2026. Obviously nothing he says can be taken semi-seriously. He after all was the most delusional one even when he had direct contact with the people in the team.
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