2026 Aston Martin Aramco Formula One Team

[GoranF1]

Dont know if it was mentioned here but David Croft(Sky F1) says B spec car and beta version of 2027 PU to be introduced in SPA.
Also vibration fix approved for Miami.

[BassVirolla]

As Honda and Newey have confirmed, combustion is where the weakness lies. So I’d say that, in the worst-case scenario, when we release the new PU, we’ll jump to a 2017 level.

[diffuser]

Looks like Honda will have a new PU for Miami, okayed by the FIA, with reliability upgrades and with all the vibrations shaken out of it. As per F1 unchained on youtube. Also with a significantly upgraded chassis, presume they've taken weight out.

[mzso]

That being said, I don’t think they’ll need to make drastic changes. As Honda and Newey have confirmed, combustion is where the weakness lies.

When? Where? I only heard this from you...

Dont know if it was mentioned here but David Croft(Sky F1) says B spec car and beta version of 2027 PU to be introduced in SPA.
Also vibration fix approved for Miami.

I heard that rumor before. But that's very far away...

Looks like Honda will have a new PU for Miami, okayed by the FIA, with reliability upgrades and with all the vibrations shaken out of it. As per F1 unchained on youtube. Also with a significantly upgraded chassis, presume they've taken weight out.

I'll believe it when I see it.
Is there any reason we should trust that youtube channel's info?

[Nikosar]

Looks like Honda will have a new PU for Miami, okayed by the FIA, with reliability upgrades and with all the vibrations shaken out of it. As per F1 unchained on youtube. Also with a significantly upgraded chassis, presume they've taken weight out.

Best news so far !

[DJ Downforce]

Looks like Honda will have a new PU for Miami, okayed by the FIA, with reliability upgrades and with all the vibrations shaken out of it. As per F1 unchained on youtube. Also with a significantly upgraded chassis, presume they've taken weight out.

I don't think that YouTube channel is a reliable source

[diffuser]

That being said, I don’t think they’ll need to make drastic changes. As Honda and Newey have confirmed, combustion is where the weakness lies.

When? Where? I only heard this from you...

Dont know if it was mentioned here but David Croft(Sky F1) says B spec car and beta version of 2027 PU to be introduced in SPA.
Also vibration fix approved for Miami.

I heard that rumor before. But that's very far away...

Looks like Honda will have a new PU for Miami, okayed by the FIA, with reliability upgrades and with all the vibrations shaken out of it. As per F1 unchained on youtube. Also with a significantly upgraded chassis, presume they've taken weight out.

I'll believe it when I see it.
Is there any reason we should trust that youtube channel's info?

It makes me happy.

[makecry]

Don't bother, it's not worth your time.

Just sit back and enjoy watching Honda bring another Golden Era of F1 to a team like it did for Williams, McLaren and Red Bull. You don't go 11/12 and 21/22 wins in a season without a jewel of an engine. Sure, it starts off as a rough diamond or a lump of coal.
I'm rooting for AMR and Newey to get it right and flourish under Honda power.

Here is how I see this whole situation. Honda is not ready. Honda not being ready is not ok.

Mercedes, Redbull, Audi, Ferrari are doing fine. Honda PU is the worst. These are objective facts.

They may dominate 5 years from now but that's a discussion for if/when that happens. Right now, Honda is not ready for the upper echelons of formula racing and should be criticized for it. Honda not being ready has an impact on a lot of talented engineers, on the company's finances (AMRs) and the drivers. That is not ok.

McLaren-honda project nearly bankrupted McLaren and they lost all sponsors. Honda can not be the reason that happens to any team. That is unacceptable.

Don't blame Honda for McLaren's own short comings. Only people who are unwilling to accept responsibility are those who fail and blame others. Trying to blame a mass production engine manufacturer for a luxury marquee's downfall is real rich. Sounding like a poor sport and loser.

It's not like AMR were front runners or even near the front of the midfield at the end of 2025. Expecting to be at the front was an unrealistic pipe dream. 3 races into the season and we don't even have cars that are fully developed. I can understand if people are complaining 2-3 years into this Formula but only one manufacturer was going to come out on top and surprise surprise. But will it stay that way? Stay tuned.

The financial implications of your engine partner's PU blowing up every two races is undeniable.

Again, Honda PU right now is not befitting of competing in Formula 1. If they are successful 5 years from now, that's them being successful 5 years from now. TODAY, their PU is the worst in F1, and not good enough to compete. What do we do of that? Why is a new manufacturer like Audi and RBPT better? It is one thing to not be the best but to be so far off is just absurd. A true fan calls out the team they support if they don't do well.

[bigblue]

Dont know if it was mentioned here but David Croft(Sky F1) says B spec car and beta version of 2027 PU to be introduced in SPA.
Also vibration fix approved for Miami.

I didn't listen to the podcast yet, but the associated article includes this quote from it,

Speaking on the same podcast as Brundle, fellow Sky Sports F1 commentator David Croft said: "To get to the end of a race [in Japan] was amazing for them, to be fair, but that's a long-term project. [...] "I'd said Silverstone for a B-spec car, that's more likely to be Spa for a B-spec car. A power unit that will need a lot of work and fine-tuning and will probably come back after the Christmas break better off for it.

From that it's pretty hard to know if that's an educated guess, or something communicated by someone in the know in the team. Plus it's Croft, so who knows! I imagine Newey would probably dispute the term "B-spec car" as well, but let's assume some package of significant revisions.

Edit: I found the Aston conversation at 44min into the 31st March podcast, and there's not a lot more info or context there. I don't know where this suggestion of the "beta version of the 2027 PU" comes from unless you think that "come back after Christmas" bit implies that (I don't, I think it meant that Honda really need to re-group and develop during the off-season, but it's a pretty incoherent statement that's hard to understand).

[SSJ4]

Papers in spain have been saying the same thing in regards to a new engine for miami which is for reliability.
Every team will bring an aero and or chassis package for miami since a month break since last grand prix

[GoranF1]

Dont know if it was mentioned here but David Croft(Sky F1) says B spec car and beta version of 2027 PU to be introduced in SPA.
Also vibration fix approved for Miami.

I didn't listen to the podcast yet, but the associated article includes this quote from it,

Speaking on the same podcast as Brundle, fellow Sky Sports F1 commentator David Croft said: "To get to the end of a race [in Japan] was amazing for them, to be fair, but that's a long-term project. [...] "I'd said Silverstone for a B-spec car, that's more likely to be Spa for a B-spec car. A power unit that will need a lot of work and fine-tuning and will probably come back after the Christmas break better off for it.

From that it's pretty hard to know if that's an educated guess, or something communicated by someone in the know in the team. Plus it's Croft, so who knows! I imagine Newey would probably dispute the term "B-spec car" as well, but let's assume some package of significant revisions.

Edit: I found the Aston conversation at 44min into the 31st March podcast, and there's not a lot more info or context there. I don't know where this suggestion of the "beta version of the 2027 PU" comes from unless you think that "come back after Christmas" bit implies that (I don't, I think it meant that Honda really need to re-group and develop during the off-season, but it's a pretty incoherent statement that's hard to understand).

I don't know what they ment....I just read a random tweet from some guy "Natchez" or something like that.
I think he is unemployed and has nothing to do expected scan the internet for Fernando Alonso news all days long to be honest.

[etusch]

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[WardenOfTheNorth]

Presumably there's a limit to how "new" this particular PU can actually be?

I'm assuming it's the same basic PU with reliability upgrades in place.

Anything bigger than that would need ADOU wouldn't it?

[diffuser]

Presumably there's a limit to how "new" this particular PU can actually be?

I'm assuming it's the same basic PU with reliability upgrades in place.

Anything bigger than that would need ADOU wouldn't it?

That is correct. It doesn't mean that reliability upgrades can not produce performance improvements.

[TyreSlip]

The performance improvement would come from running the engine at full revs, which could not be done safely previously.