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Back when the junior team was still Minardi, they did come up with ideas that the better funded teams copied and developed. No idea if any of that old team are still there after all these years, however. Just because a team isn't a top step team doesn't mean they can't come up with good ideas. It's the ability to develop things that the better funded teams enjoy.Seanspeed wrote: ↑21 Apr 2026, 13:24Sure? Doesn't really change what I'm saying. They're only cribbing from their junior team more right now because of all the major departures. This was not a normal practice from them before, where they hired more experienced and esteemed guys elsewhere for top technical roles even when Toro Rosso existed.Just_a_fan wrote: ↑20 Apr 2026, 14:42Except only Red Bull has this particular facility with its own junior team.Seanspeed wrote: ↑19 Apr 2026, 22:58
Drivers are a very different thing, especially when they all come specifically from Red Bull's very own driver development program. Newey did not have to spend a stint at Toro Rosso before joining Red Bull. lol RB may be cultivating engineering talent to a degree via Toro Rosso, but it was not meant to be a 'feeder' team in that sense.
I've not said anywhere that pilfering Toro Rosso's engineering was something inherently bad or that anybody there sucks. Obviously you can find talent everywhere, especially when put in the right position.Just_a_fan wrote: ↑22 Apr 2026, 17:38Back when the junior team was still Minardi, they did come up with ideas that the better funded teams copied and developed. No idea if any of that old team are still there after all these years, however. Just because a team isn't a top step team doesn't mean they can't come up with good ideas. It's the ability to develop things that the better funded teams enjoy.
Frankly, Racing Bulls should be entirely separate anyway, so poaching engineers should be no different to any other team doing it - gardening leave, etc., - but as it's these two teams they can move people around as they see fit.
https://www.theguardian.com/sport/2026/ ... ne-factoryRed Bull are maintaining no little momentum in recruitment, having taken on 120 new employees across engine and chassis in the first quarter of this year alone.
“But now the ghost of the power unit – is Oracle Red Bull Racing going to have a strong enough power unit for the years to come? – has disappeared. We have our own issues. We need to get these tenths back, we need to fix what we need to fix with the car. This, we know how to do. It’s going to happen, not in Miami, but it’s going to happen.
Not sure if that is anywhere near accurate. The car simply didn't have performance as well in 2024 and 2025 over a race.Waz wrote: ↑24 Apr 2026, 09:17Miami will be telling though. It's been a long break. Long enough to get a solution for the driveability issues and improve the stability at least. It sets the tone until the summer break, and shows if Wache has learned from seasons like 24 and 25, endlessly trying to add performance upgrades to a car that was becoming more difficult to drive.
Think it is a combination. Bad windtunnel, late start, departure of key people and new hires who though smart and good need to learn without strong guidance from old timers.pantherxxx wrote: ↑24 Apr 2026, 15:50The fact that Red Bull managed to copy the “Macarena” rear wing so quickly shows they still have massive engineering resources that no other team can match. Also, the fact that they’ve built the second-best engine with a brand-new company says a lot.
What I don’t understand is why the car is so slow then. Is it a mistake they can fix this year? Did they start developing the chassis too late because of the 2025 season? Or is their old wind tunnel the bottleneck?
Not in Miamieuv2 wrote: ↑24 Apr 2026, 05:17https://www.theguardian.com/sport/2026/ ... ne-factoryRed Bull are maintaining no little momentum in recruitment, having taken on 120 new employees across engine and chassis in the first quarter of this year alone.
“But now the ghost of the power unit – is Oracle Red Bull Racing going to have a strong enough power unit for the years to come? – has disappeared. We have our own issues. We need to get these tenths back, we need to fix what we need to fix with the car. This, we know how to do. It’s going to happen, not in Miami, but it’s going to happen.
Good to hear that they've been recruiting heavily, I'm assuming most of it is still PU side but still good news, nonetheless.
Also, they seem confident that they now know what's wrong with car and how to fix it. Let's hope it works out. Rest of the article is mostly about their visit to the engine dept.
“The fact that we have this wind tunnel coming sometime next year also puts you at a completely different level.organic wrote: ↑25 Apr 2026, 10:28Not in Miamieuv2 wrote: ↑24 Apr 2026, 05:17https://www.theguardian.com/sport/2026/ ... ne-factoryRed Bull are maintaining no little momentum in recruitment, having taken on 120 new employees across engine and chassis in the first quarter of this year alone.
“But now the ghost of the power unit – is Oracle Red Bull Racing going to have a strong enough power unit for the years to come? – has disappeared. We have our own issues. We need to get these tenths back, we need to fix what we need to fix with the car. This, we know how to do. It’s going to happen, not in Miami, but it’s going to happen.
Good to hear that they've been recruiting heavily, I'm assuming most of it is still PU side but still good news, nonetheless.
Also, they seem confident that they now know what's wrong with car and how to fix it. Let's hope it works out. Rest of the article is mostly about their visit to the engine dept.
Three in four races. lol