2026 Aston Martin Aramco Formula One Team

This forum contains threads to discuss teams themselves. Anything not technical about the cars, including restructuring, performances etc belongs here.
User avatar
diffuser
259
Joined: 07 Sep 2012, 13:55
Location: Montreal

Re: 2026 Aston Martin Aramco Formula One Team

Post

TyreSlip wrote:
03 May 2026, 21:04
This car is definitely kinder on its tyres than the Cadillac. Alonso could have finished the race on the mediums if allowed.
He was falling off the cliff, his last lap on the mediums was something like mid 1:37. He had been running low 1:36s. So yeah, the car is kinder on it tires but let's now exagerate.

Petebass
Petebass
0
Joined: 14 Mar 2026, 17:12

Re: 2026 Aston Martin Aramco Formula One Team

Post

"No upgrades until race 12-14" (last answer)

It seems to me that AM is working in a new car better than improve this one and Honda will go with everything to ADUO 2.

collindsilva
collindsilva
1
Joined: 27 Aug 2015, 15:37

Re: 2026 Aston Martin Aramco Formula One Team

Post

Petebass wrote:
04 May 2026, 09:13
"No upgrades until race 12-14" (last answer)

It seems to me that AM is working in a new car better than improve this one and Honda will go with everything to ADUO 2.
The pitstops were good, something positive to take from the race.

User avatar
etusch
131
Joined: 22 Feb 2009, 23:09
Location: Turkey

Re: 2026 Aston Martin Aramco Formula One Team

Post

Petebass wrote:
04 May 2026, 09:13
"No upgrades until race 12-14" (last answer)

It seems to me that AM is working in a new car better than improve this one and Honda will go with everything to ADUO 2.
I am not sure if drivers are good source for upgrade news, but this is what we only have though.

OnEcRiTiCaL
OnEcRiTiCaL
0
Joined: 01 Aug 2023, 09:55

Re: 2026 Aston Martin Aramco Formula One Team

Post

zoroastar wrote:
04 May 2026, 06:17
TyreSlip wrote:
03 May 2026, 21:04
This car is definitely kinder on its tyres than the Cadillac. Alonso could have finished the race on the mediums if allowed.
yeah i was about to mention that. until the changes in the rules this weekend, the tires have been dramatically under stressed for just about everybody. itll be interesting to see if aston continue to be that good on their tires, or if it was alonso. stroll pitted to cover the cadillac i guess. i dont know if he really needed to. i was wondering how much of alonsos race was testing tires and aero balance behind other cars. he seemed to be trying to entertain himself without a chance for points.
Don't know why you guys thinks is "kinder" with the tyres . Compare to Cadillac yeah,bit compare to others not really worth to talk about it when you run 2s slower /lap.

FNTC
FNTC
23
Joined: 03 Nov 2023, 21:27

Re: 2026 Aston Martin Aramco Formula One Team

Post

Spanish article:
Alonso: “I’m at peace because I understand the situation”

Google translated:
“I am at peace because I understand the situation. The team has explained to me that if we bring a tenth in each race, it does not change our position. We are in the position of P20 or P19 and a second of the front so even if we bring two tenths in each race we do not change our position. It’s stressing the system, the budget and stuff like that. Until we have a second improvement, it’s better not to press the production button because we spend money and resources.”

GoranF1
GoranF1
149
Joined: 16 Dec 2014, 12:53
Location: Zagreb,Croatia

Re: 2026 Aston Martin Aramco Formula One Team

Post

TyreSlip wrote:
03 May 2026, 21:46
gnocchiF1 wrote:
03 May 2026, 21:33
GoranF1 wrote:
03 May 2026, 20:04
There isn't that big of a race pace deficit to midfield teams.Aston will make big progress after first ADUO upgrade.
About 1 second a lap to the last car not a Cadillac. I find that very significant.
It would take a 50bhp upgrade in the next ADUO for that to happen, and that would be if all the other engine manufacturers were standing still.
When he finally got rid of Perez in his first stint on mediums he definitely wasn't that much slower, not 1 sec per lap to midfield teams,maybe 0.4 or 0.5, when he switches to softs he keeps more or less same pace as TorroRosso and Ocon.
Also the horsepower deficit is questionable, how can he keep up or overtake Ferrari engine in Cadilac whit 50+ bhp deficit?
"I have no idols. I admire work, dedication & competence."

Nikosar
Nikosar
0
Joined: 10 Apr 2024, 18:06
Location: Genève

Re: 2026 Aston Martin Aramco Formula One Team

Post

Petebass wrote:
04 May 2026, 09:13
"No upgrades until race 12-14" (last answer)

It seems to me that AM is working in a new car better than improve this one and Honda will go with everything to ADUO 2.
ADUO has NOT been granted to any team yet. They cannot work on a new car.

They seems confident to bring upgrades without ADUO.

Petebass
Petebass
0
Joined: 14 Mar 2026, 17:12

Re: 2026 Aston Martin Aramco Formula One Team

Post

Nikosar wrote:
04 May 2026, 11:37
Petebass wrote:
04 May 2026, 09:13
"No upgrades until race 12-14" (last answer)

It seems to me that AM is working in a new car better than improve this one and Honda will go with everything to ADUO 2.
ADUO has NOT been granted to any team yet. They cannot work on a new car.

They seems confident to bring upgrades without ADUO.
Teams know much more than us. Any motor upgrade takes months of development, so Honda must know since the beginning what can do and what not for ADUO.

Nikosar
Nikosar
0
Joined: 10 Apr 2024, 18:06
Location: Genève

Re: 2026 Aston Martin Aramco Formula One Team

Post

Petebass wrote:
04 May 2026, 16:13
Nikosar wrote:
04 May 2026, 11:37
Petebass wrote:
04 May 2026, 09:13
"No upgrades until race 12-14" (last answer)

It seems to me that AM is working in a new car better than improve this one and Honda will go with everything to ADUO 2.
ADUO has NOT been granted to any team yet. They cannot work on a new car.

They seems confident to bring upgrades without ADUO.
Teams know much more than us. Any motor upgrade takes months of development, so Honda must know since the beginning what can do and what not for ADUO.
Indeed, that’s correct. On the same note, they cannot wait indefinitely for the FIA to guarantee ADUO; they are acting within existing constraints which make the task harder.

User avatar
hollus
Moderator
Joined: 29 Mar 2009, 01:21
Location: Copenhagen, Denmark

Re: 2026 Aston Martin Aramco Formula One Team

Post

It is not like they are not developing… at the design stage. They just don’t bring any pieces to the car until race 14.
Because only hardware that actually goes on the car counts towards the cost cap, right?
Same idea with wind tunnel… now they are finally getting baseline performance data, even if XX HP down, so they can wait to only spend wind tunnel/CFD time on more mature, effective parts. Also they can wait and see what other teams bring, and then pick and copy.
But I am sure there is a lot of CAD and prototyping and packaging development going on. Just not coming to the wind tunnel or to the car, which is where resources are limited.
¡Puxa Sporting!

User avatar
etusch
131
Joined: 22 Feb 2009, 23:09
Location: Turkey

Re: 2026 Aston Martin Aramco Formula One Team

Post

Perhaps the teams lagging behind should have some more spending rights, just like they have more CFD or wind tunnel use. Teams like Haas might not even come close to the budget cap, but for those willing to do more, allowing them to developing engine or car without sufficient funding don't make much sense. So, what can be done if development permission is given but no budget is provided?

User avatar
hollus
Moderator
Joined: 29 Mar 2009, 01:21
Location: Copenhagen, Denmark

Re: 2026 Aston Martin Aramco Formula One Team

Post

There is extra budget to spend on the engine with ADUO, IIRC.
¡Puxa Sporting!

User avatar
diffuser
259
Joined: 07 Sep 2012, 13:55
Location: Montreal

Re: 2026 Aston Martin Aramco Formula One Team

Post

hollus wrote:
04 May 2026, 17:09
It is not like they are not developing… at the design stage. They just don’t bring any pieces to the car until race 14.
Because only hardware that actually goes on the car counts towards the cost cap, right?
Same idea with wind tunnel… now they are finally getting baseline performance data, even if XX HP down, so they can wait to only spend wind tunnel/CFD time on more mature, effective parts. Also they can wait and see what other teams bring, and then pick and copy.
But I am sure there is a lot of CAD and prototyping and packaging development going on. Just not coming to the wind tunnel or to the car, which is where resources are limited.

They keep changing the CAD drawings, they just never print them, aside from making new parts for the wind tunnel to tests.

User avatar
zoroastar
6
Joined: 31 Aug 2017, 08:04

Re: 2026 Aston Martin Aramco Formula One Team

Post

etusch wrote:
04 May 2026, 19:07
Perhaps the teams lagging behind should have some more spending rights, just like they have more CFD or wind tunnel use. Teams like Haas might not even come close to the budget cap, but for those willing to do more, allowing them to developing engine or car without sufficient funding don't make much sense. So, what can be done if development permission is given but no budget is provided?
there is some talk going on between the teams to grant honda more ADUO and more cap space after the first 2 upgrades happen. i heard that it looked like all the teams were in agreement on it and then the vote got delayed. it may be hard for them to make any really meaningful upgrades in such a short time frame with the budget cap what it is. if they were still in the dark about how to deal with their last combustion system being illegal now, it may take some time (and money) to implement.

but yeah, extra money in the cap is part of ADUO.