2026 Scuderia Ferrari HP F1 Team

[dans79]

When is the end of term on Fred's contract. I think it's time to let him go. Need someone new.

Oh no not again!!
Please stop with this silly "whom to fire next" game...
No real company and team works like this. You need to finetune things, find the small errors, not go in there like an elephant in to a porcelain shop and destroy everything, excepting a new and better shop for tomorrow!
Also, I think he is doing a good job.

The team has gone backwards!

Upgrades that don't work. Tyres that don't last. Still not splitting strategies. And still not dominating races.

Other than firing engineers, development staff, and low- to mid-tier managers, how do you expect a new TP to magically fix any of these issues? And How do you Know Fred hasn't been doing this?

[f1316]

When is the end of term on Fred's contract. I think it's time to let him go. Need someone new.

Oh no not again!!
Please stop with this silly "whom to fire next" game...
No real company and team works like this. You need to finetune things, find the small errors, not go in there like an elephant in to a porcelain shop and destroy everything, excepting a new and better shop for tomorrow!
Also, I think he is doing a good job.

The team has gone backwards!

Upgrades that don't work. Tyres that don't last. Still not splitting strategies. And still not dominating races.

I think it’s crazy to suggest the upgrades didn’t work - the gap to Mercedes, who did have some upgrades, just not many, was undeniably smaller. Likely the Ferrari chassis foundation was stronger so there was less low hanging fruit than McLaren or Red Bull, for instance. I do think introducing all of them at once may not have ended up as the right strategy as they may find it harder to figure out what’s working better or worse, but let’s see.

But this is ultimately all about engine, no doubt. On the one hand, that’s not an excuse: Ferrari should build competitive engines and being behind Red bull on power is, frankly, unacceptable. But the chassis is doing a lot of work to keep them vaguely in the game and it’s pretty unlikely Ferrari can win on merit (outside somewhere like Monaco which should suit the package) unless/until the engine is improved.

[AR3-GP]

I've read that the flick tail system cost the engine 7-9hp because it strangles the exhaust. This is not in the spirit of the ADUO system. It is not supposed to compensate for aerodynamic choices.

[venkyhere]

I've read that the flick tail system cost the engine 7-9hp because it strangles the exhaust. This is not in the spirit of the ADUO system. It is not supposed to compensate for aerodynamic choices.

https://cdn.motorsport.com/images/mgl/2 ... 6-ftm.webp

I read that the 7-9 HP is from compromizing heat exchanger size for charge air, and due to the decision to live with higher IAT and higher engine temps (w.r.t standard implementation) , thus sacrificing power ; inorder to prioritize packaging and hence aero.

[AR3-GP]

I read that the 7-9 HP is from compromizing heat exchanger size for charge air, and due to the decision to live with higher IAT and higher engine temps (w.r.t standard implementation) , thus sacrificing power ; inorder to prioritize packaging and hence aero.

That article is not great, imo.

No amount of engine tuning can escape the fact that sticking a drinking straw on the end of your exhaust will cost you power and this is being artificially introduced to the ADUO measurement process. They would gain a few hp just by getting rid of the flick tail.

[sucof]

I read that the 7-9 HP is from compromizing heat exchanger size for charge air, and due to the decision to live with higher IAT and higher engine temps (w.r.t standard implementation) , thus sacrificing power ; inorder to prioritize packaging and hence aero.

That article is not great, imo.

No amount of engine tuning can escape the fact that sticking a drinking straw on the end of your exhaust will cost you power and this is being artificially introduced to the ADUO measurement process. They would gain a few hp just by getting rid of the flick tail.

And you are sure that the cooling of the other teams are like 100% efficient, returning ambient temp water and air in to the engine for max performance???
Meaning: Every team looses tons of performance in the sake of aero, it is just the result of a calculation of cost and benefit. Ferraris solution is not different.

[AR3-GP]

I read that the 7-9 HP is from compromizing heat exchanger size for charge air, and due to the decision to live with higher IAT and higher engine temps (w.r.t standard implementation) , thus sacrificing power ; inorder to prioritize packaging and hence aero.

That article is not great, imo.

No amount of engine tuning can escape the fact that sticking a drinking straw on the end of your exhaust will cost you power and this is being artificially introduced to the ADUO measurement process. They would gain a few hp just by getting rid of the flick tail.

And you are sure that the cooling of the other teams are like 100% efficient, returning ambient temp water and air in to the engine for max performance???
Meaning: Every team looses tons of performance in the sake of aero, it is just the result of a calculation of cost and benefit. Ferraris solution is not different.

Putting a cap on the end of your exhaust pipe reduces engine power output.

[sucof]

Putting a cap on the end of your exhaust pipe reduces engine power output.

Reducing cooling in order to reduce drag, reduces engine output.
Why should I explain these??

[AR3-GP]

Putting a cap on the end of your exhaust pipe reduces engine power output.

Reducing cooling in order to reduce drag, reduces engine output.
Why should I explain these??

Are you aware of a team that has reduced their cooling at the expense of power output, in today's formula which is dominated by PU?

[urtsee]

I've read that the flick tail system cost the engine 7-9hp because it strangles the exhaust. This is not in the spirit of the ADUO system.

Is the power measurement taken with the cap (FTM,\whatever) in place?

[AR3-GP]

I've read that the flick tail system cost the engine 7-9hp because it strangles the exhaust. This is not in the spirit of the ADUO system.

Is the power measurement taken with the cap (FTM,\whatever) in place?

It is with the cap. The power measurement is taken from the torque meter that is installed on the drive shaft during qualifying and the races. When the exhaust is being strangled, the ICE can't breathe as freely, so there's less power coming out of the crankshaft.

[Waz]

Isn't this F1 Technical? General consensus from technical communities is that it's not making much difference, if at all, because it's behind the exhaust exit.

Tbh, you don't need to be an engineer to understand why that is.

[f1316]

I've read that the flick tail system cost the engine 7-9hp because it strangles the exhaust. This is not in the spirit of the ADUO system. It is not supposed to compensate for aerodynamic choices.

https://cdn.motorsport.com/images/mgl/2 ... 6-ftm.webp

The teams were offered a version of ADUO that compensated for these types of trade offs but decided to keep it simple and focus only on the actual, ultimate output not taking into consideration trade offs in design choices. Given that, Ferrari made choices based on the agreement - just as they also did with the turbo size due to race starts - you cannot therefore keep changing what was agreed. So this is absolutely in the spirit of ADUO as agreed by everyone well in advance.

https://www.the-race.com/formula-1/f1-m ... de-system/

On the other hand, you know what’s not in the spirit of the regulations and wasn’t discussed out in the open and agreed by everyone in advance? Trick compression ratios… but those are clever readings of regulations, right?

[AR3-GP]

I've read that the flick tail system cost the engine 7-9hp because it strangles the exhaust. This is not in the spirit of the ADUO system. It is not supposed to compensate for aerodynamic choices.

https://cdn.motorsport.com/images/mgl/2 ... 6-ftm.webp

The teams were offered a version of ADUO that compensated for these types of trade offs but decided to keep it simple and focus only on the actual, ultimate output not taking into consideration trade offs in design choices. Given that, Ferrari made choices based on the agreement - just as they also did with the turbo size due to race starts - you cannot therefore keep changing what was agreed. So this is absolutely in the spirit of ADUO as agreed by everyone well in advance.

https://www.the-race.com/formula-1/f1-m ... de-system/

On the other hand, you know what’s not in the spirit of the regulations and wasn’t discussed out in the open and agreed by everyone in advance? Trick compression ratios… but those are clever readings of regulations, right?

My opinion has been that the PU regulations, the enforcement, and the ADUO system are not well thought out. So whether it's compression ratios, ADUO abuse, or the next thing, it has all been poorly executed.

[urtsee]

I've read that the flick tail system cost the engine 7-9hp because it strangles the exhaust. This is not in the spirit of the ADUO system.

Is the power measurement taken with the cap (FTM,\whatever) in place?

It is with the cap. The power measurement is taken from the torque meter that is installed on the drive shaft during qualifying and the races. When the exhaust is being strangled, the ICE can't breathe as freely, so there's less power coming out of the crankshaft.

So:

The measurement method is the same for everyone

and

Every team is all but certain to get a different power output from the same engine depending on choices made

How do they then decide ADUO?