2026 Scuderia Ferrari HP F1 Team

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[quote=dans79 post_id=1345953 time=1781282054 user_id=17431]
[quote=mzso post_id=1345942 time=1781280317 user_id=24187]
All the talk was about superclipping, and I didn't hear unusually high engine power in turns. So I doubtful about this.
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Supper clipping is controversial because it makes the drivers vulnerable at the end of the strait and they don't like it.

you can read this or you can look at the rules directly.
https://www.formula1.com/en/latest/arti ... cIpGzoWkY0

[quote]Cars will harvest energy to charge the battery when braking, on part throttle, when lifting off (when a driver lifts off the throttle early – often referred to as lift and coast) or when ‘super clipping’ (when some harvesting happens at the end of the straight when a car is still at full throttle – although this depends on the particular engine map being used, the circuit profile, and the overall Recharge energy allowance for that circuit, which varies as per the regulations).

Most of the time, the Recharge will be automated by use of selectable Recharge maps and targets so braking, part throttle and super clip will all be automated functions controlled by the ECU. The only Recharge mode the driver will have direct control of will be lift-off regen, whereby if the driver lifts off, then they can Recharge. However, doing this will disable the Active devices as well. In contrast, super clipping is still at full throttle and therefore the Active Aero will still be ‘open’.[/quote]
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Super clipping is the fastest way around the track yes, but it has to be shifted in a batte as you are alluding to.

In theory the engine has excess energy or you could say less efficiently used at some points a track and in these points it is more efficient and quicker to use the battery. There are also other points where there is time loss is not great even when you lift off the throttle like coasting and braking areas. So you would take the energy at these points to charge the battery so you can deploy this energy in other more advantageous points of the track. Superclipping is when you go one step further and spend fuel to charge the battery at these points.

In a battle however, track position is becomes high prioty because the driver behind will be hampered and that ideal theorical laptime with superclipping sill never come to fruition so all that goes out the window. The trick is can you hold the attacker back until his tyres give or he himself makes a mistake or run out of energy? That's how the hugely entertaining yo-yo effect happens.

Remember extra harvest with the MGUH? This trick can also be done with the MGUK as well. I think Mercedes has managed to do this to very good degree in the race. (I suspect they have a trick-differential with some high density fly-wheels built in?!but will make a new thread on this).
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AR3-GP wrote:
08 Jun 2026, 19:04
Xyz22 wrote:
08 Jun 2026, 09:23
It’s absolutely crazy that the brakes failed during the SC. Leclerc said 3 out of 4 brakes didn’t work as expected, with the rear ones not braking at all. Could have been extremely dangerous in a different situation.
Why didn't he pull over or go into the pitlane?
I guess because he hoped he would "activate" them by making a few corners. He couldn't :( There is an onboard where he almost crashed under the SC in another corner. ABsolutely crazy.

Anyway, hopefully this upgrade and the CI disks will help him. Ferrari needs Leclerc back to 100%.

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I think you guys are over thinking this.
  • The battery is only allowed to store 4MJ.
  • Deployment is between 7MJ and 9MJ depending on the circuit drivers also get an extra 0.5MJ in overtake mode.
  • Supper clipping is 350kw, but can only be done when the ICE is at 100% throttle on the straits and in strait line mode.
  • Regular harvesting is done under breaking and during lift and cost and is capped at 250 kw.
On each track strait line mode can only be used in designated segments of the track.
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What teams are working on is trying to harvest as much as they can under breaking because it's free energy. After all you have to slow the car or you will end up in the gravel or a wall. Lico and super clipping is used to make up the difference so they can achieve maximum deployment per lap.
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What do we think about FP performance?

My take is that, given the evaluation of new parts, it’s impossible to read too much in. The car looks well balanced in Charles’ hands but I suspect this track requires too much on throttle to compete with the Mercedes powered cars. Also tyre wear doesn’t seem to be our strength, unless the upgrade helps with that (?)

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f1316 wrote:
12 Jun 2026, 21:50
What do we think about FP performance?

My take is that, given the evaluation of new parts, it’s impossible to read too much in. The car looks well balanced in Charles’ hands but I suspect this track requires too much on throttle to compete with the Mercedes powered cars. Also tyre wear doesn’t seem to be our strength, unless the upgrade helps with that (?)
Cause for cautious optimism on that last point:
On the medium tyres, Leclerc was fastest in the long run, averaging 1'21"696 over seven laps, ahead of Russell (1'21"788 over nine laps) and with a wider margin over Piastri (1'22"336 over seven laps). Track evolution requires caution when interpreting this data for the race, but the consistency shown by the SF-26 is nevertheless an encouraging sign.
Reporting a step with the updates although probably still this won’t be enough to be properly competitive without a new engine: https://it.motorsport.com/f1/news/f1-fe ... /10829666/

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Charles is back to prove himself again that he is the number one in the team. That done though, it won't look so amazing because I predict we will finish 5th and 6th!
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PlatinumZealot wrote:
12 Jun 2026, 23:33
Charles is back to prove himself again that he is the number one in the team.
The team has a new number one for sure

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dans79 wrote:
12 Jun 2026, 18:34
mzso wrote:
12 Jun 2026, 18:05
All the talk was about superclipping, and I didn't hear unusually high engine power in turns. So I doubtful about this.
Supper clipping is controversial because it makes the drivers vulnerable at the end of the strait and they don't like it.

you can read this or you can look at the rules directly.
https://www.formula1.com/en/latest/arti ... cIpGzoWkY0
Cars will harvest energy to charge the battery when braking, on part throttle, when lifting off (when a driver lifts off the throttle early – often referred to as lift and coast) or when ‘super clipping’ (when some harvesting happens at the end of the straight when a car is still at full throttle – although this depends on the particular engine map being used, the circuit profile, and the overall Recharge energy allowance for that circuit, which varies as per the regulations).

Most of the time, the Recharge will be automated by use of selectable Recharge maps and targets so braking, part throttle and super clip will all be automated functions controlled by the ECU. The only Recharge mode the driver will have direct control of will be lift-off regen, whereby if the driver lifts off, then they can Recharge. However, doing this will disable the Active devices as well. In contrast, super clipping is still at full throttle and therefore the Active Aero will still be ‘open’.
Yes they could use all of that. But since superclipping is the best to go around fastest that's what they use.

I don't know why you said "the battery doesn't have enough capacity to just super clip". It's paradoxical, if the capacity is too low then you need less generation, not more.
dans79 wrote:
12 Jun 2026, 19:20
What teams are working on is trying to harvest as much as they can under breaking because it's free energy. After all you have to slow the car or you will end up in the gravel or a wall. Lico and super clipping is used to make up the difference so they can achieve maximum deployment per lap.
No, they obviously super-clip a lot. Regen braking is not harvesting, obviously they use that to max capacity, but it's way too little. Otherwise they use (super)clipping, AFAIK because is more efficient than part throttle harvesting.
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Did Leclerc stay with the Carbon Industrie brakes for today?

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humm quali looks tough, hope sharl can get 2nd row at least [-o<

edit:-checking insightshub, russell despite making slight correction/error in t3 but the time they get to t4 he is still 10kph ahead of charles.. freaking hell same story every end of stright and at the very end of lap ferrari loose all the power and is down by 16kph...
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Fakepivot wrote:
13 Jun 2026, 13:36
humm quali looks tough, hope sharl can get 2nd row at least [-o<
There will be 4 Mercedes engines in front of him and potentially a RB one if they sort their car

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deadhead wrote:
13 Jun 2026, 14:20
There will be 4 Mercedes engines in front of him and potentially a RB one if they sort their car
sure every team will ahead of ferrari if they short out there car, just like that guy predicting audi to be ahead of ferrari any day now...

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Oh dear, Charles

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Charles LeCrash.