2026 Scuderia Ferrari HP F1 Team

[f1316]

The rumour is Austria for the first one and Zandvoort or Monza for the second. We’ll see but that would be great timing if both make a reasonable step - of course, Mercedes also get one, so that could move the goalposts

I'd assume they likely want to fix whatever electrical reliability gremlins they have first.

Mercedes you mean, right?

I presume they get to do reliability updates outside ADUO, right? Still, could be the two are linked? Conspiracy theory: what if having to comply with the compression ratio rules is causing this (doesn’t really line up given Montreal issue for Russell, but could be they tried to get compliance in advance?)

[sucof]

The rumour is Austria for the first one and Zandvoort or Monza for the second. We’ll see but that would be great timing if both make a reasonable step - of course, Mercedes also get one, so that could move the goalposts

I'd assume they likely want to fix whatever electrical reliability gremlins they have first.

Mercedes you mean, right?

I presume they get to do reliability updates outside ADUO, right? Still, could be the two are linked? Conspiracy theory: what if having to comply with the compression ratio rules is causing this (doesn’t really line up given Montreal issue for Russell, but could be they tried to get compliance in advance?)

Why on Earth would they?
But I was wondering too that why noone talked about the compression ratio check change lately, and "suddenly" Ferrari wins a race........

[f1316]

I'd assume they likely want to fix whatever electrical reliability gremlins they have first.

Mercedes you mean, right?

I presume they get to do reliability updates outside ADUO, right? Still, could be the two are linked? Conspiracy theory: what if having to comply with the compression ratio rules is causing this (doesn’t really line up given Montreal issue for Russell, but could be they tried to get compliance in advance?)

Why on Earth would they?
But I was wondering too that why noone talked about the compression ratio check change lately, and "suddenly" Ferrari wins a race........

My only thought was to try and test out the reliability in advance (which, if so, obviously didn’t work ). In line with your observation, their big upgrade didn’t seem to produce that much performance - could it be that the impact on the engine side counteracted it?

I am saying a lot of this a bit tongue cheek - it’s admittedly a conspiracy theory, not a strongly held belief

[dans79]

Mercedes you mean, right?

I presume they get to do reliability updates outside ADUO, right? Still, could be the two are linked? Conspiracy theory: what if having to comply with the compression ratio rules is causing this (doesn’t really line up given Montreal issue for Russell, but could be they tried to get compliance in advance?)

Yea I mean Mercedes.

I'd be shocked if they can't fix it as a reliability update. They have had several electrical related issue.

Kimi - Barcelona
George - Canada
Alex - Canada
Lando - Monaco
Alex - practice issue in Japan
Oscar - China
Lando - China

Imo, that's to many teams and to many instances to be a fluke/one off, and I have heard nothing about them finding a way to rectify any of the issues. Thus if it was me, I would want that fixed, before I make some kind of ADUO upgrade. I wouldn't want the potential of the ADUO upgrade making it worse.

Unless I've missed it, no Ferrari powered team has a power unit related issue. Imo that means they have a lot less to be worried about.

[Brahmal]

Imo, that's to many teams and to many instances to be a fluke/one off, and I have heard nothing about them finding a way to rectify any of the issues. Thus if it was me, I would want that fixed, before I make some kind of ADUO upgrade. I wouldn't want the potential of the ADUO upgrade making it worse.

ADUO concerns the ICE so I don't think it would have much to do with Mercedes problems since most of them have been battery/electrical.

[f1316]

Mercedes you mean, right?

I presume they get to do reliability updates outside ADUO, right? Still, could be the two are linked? Conspiracy theory: what if having to comply with the compression ratio rules is causing this (doesn’t really line up given Montreal issue for Russell, but could be they tried to get compliance in advance?)

Yea I mean Mercedes.

I'd be shocked if they can't fix it as a reliability update. They have had several electrical related issue.

Kimi - Barcelona
George - Canada
Alex - Canada
Lando - Monaco
Alex - practice issue in Japan
Oscar - China
Lando - China

Imo, that's to many teams and to many instances to be a fluke/one off, and I have heard nothing about them finding a way to rectify any of the issues. Thus if it was me, I would want that fixed, before I make some kind of ADUO upgrade. I wouldn't want the potential of the ADUO upgrade making it worse.

Unless I've missed it, no Ferrari powered team has a power unit related issue. Imo that means they have a lot less to be worried about.

The only concern I had with Ferrari is based on:

(1) initial rumour that this engine is an evolution of the old hybrid (hence known quantity, hence reliable)
(2) the real 2026 engine (again based on rumour) wasn’t reliable enough, hence shelved for later
(3) when they introduce the proper engine - especially if fast tracked - will the concerns that caused them to shelve it initially really be fixed?

Huge amount of ifs and buts - hey, I’m a Ferrari fan and used to there always being something that goes wrong, so probably paranoid!

[Gillian]

Imo, that's to many teams and to many instances to be a fluke/one off, and I have heard nothing about them finding a way to rectify any of the issues. Thus if it was me, I would want that fixed, before I make some kind of ADUO upgrade. I wouldn't want the potential of the ADUO upgrade making it worse.

ADUO concerns the ICE so I don't think it would have much to do with Mercedes problems since most of them have been battery/electrical.

Measurements concern the ICE but they may upgrade more than just the ICE. In theory they could even leave the ICE and only upgrade the electrical components.

[sucof]

The only concern I had with Ferrari is based on:

(1) initial rumour that this engine is an evolution of the old hybrid (hence known quantity, hence reliable)
(2) the real 2026 engine (again based on rumour) wasn’t reliable enough, hence shelved for later
(3) when they introduce the proper engine - especially if fast tracked - will the concerns that caused them to shelve it initially really be fixed?

Huge amount of ifs and buts - hey, I’m a Ferrari fan and used to there always being something that goes wrong, so probably paranoid!

This kind of thinking is not logical. Just because something was delayed before because it was not working properly, the new and fixed version can still be 100% reliable.
Reliability has nothing to do with previous states of a device, only with how well the engineering team can and will understand when it is reliable.
Meaning, no conclusions can be drawn.

The current engine is one of the most reliable in the field, this can be a hint that they can make something reliable and can understand when is something finished to race.

But rumours are mixed... isn't the steel piston engine what they currently have already a new one? They did not use that before, and is a huge change "already". So the rumour that this is just the developed old engine is not very logical either... according to rumours then they had 2 new engines...

[214270]

Seems his failure was sudden, no info exchanged in the run up:

[Jdn1327]

Duchessa stated that Hamilton used Charles's setup from FP3. That is interesting because then that would mean Hamilton used a setup generated by the simulator. Which would bode well for the season because it means the simulator is working. Which makes it more painful for Charles, we had a chance of a front row lockout in quali and race day.

https://x.com/CL16_inside/status/2067164547442454756

[subfire91]

only 5 ? i was expecting around 10-15

https://x.com/Scuderiascoop/status/2067201204170486216

[Luscion]

only 5 ? i was expecting around 10-15

https://x.com/Scuderiascoop/status/2067201204170486216

The second upgrade, presumably Monza, is where they plan for the big performance upgrade