Red Bull RB22

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Clearly trying to beef it up to prevent that closing problem, not sure it's working though.

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yet another cooling exit comparison pic from Hungary :

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yet another cooling exit comparison pic, this time from Hungary :

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seems like this year the cooling efficiency is so much better than in the past, that it almost matches the Mclaren. Big difference w.r.t Ferrari

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venkyhere wrote:
27 Jul 2026, 20:01
yet another cooling exit comparison pic, this time from Hungary :

https://ibb.co/1Y6RK4hk

seems like this year the cooling efficiency is so much better than in the past, that it almost matches the Mclaren. Big difference w.r.t Ferrari
Given RBR's bigger sidepods, is it possible they just use bigger coolers and can reduce opening the bodywork as a result?

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lio007 wrote:
27 Jul 2026, 20:40
venkyhere wrote:
27 Jul 2026, 20:01
yet another cooling exit comparison pic, this time from Hungary :

https://ibb.co/1Y6RK4hk

seems like this year the cooling efficiency is so much better than in the past, that it almost matches the Mclaren. Big difference w.r.t Ferrari
Given RBR's bigger sidepods, is it possible they just use bigger coolers and can reduce opening the bodywork as a result?
The sidepods are not 'big' compared to competition, there is a large waterslide, effectively rendering the 'space' available to mount the heat exchangers no different, just that this 'space' is more 'upright'-y rather than the 'lying down'-y that we see in sidepds of competition.
Even otherwise,
"mass air flow rate" = area of entry(exit) opening x speed at entry(exit) x density at entry(exit)
is going to be defined by the thermal equilibrium required (rate of heat removal needed) and the efficiency of how much pressure drop the heat exchangers induce, rather than the 'size' of heat exchangers present.
The reason 'smaller' exits are considered 'better' is purely from how much interference they cause to the downforce producing structures at the rear, as 'more cooling exit area' means more disturbance to the boundary layer of the air stream hugging the water-droplet like shape of the car, front-to-back. The boundary layer is going to be disturbed anyway, from the turbulence of vortices and leaking-in tyre wake, just that it's better to 'minimize additional disturbance' from the hot air from heat exchangers.

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Mclaren seems to have got around the anti dive suspension characteristics in low speed corners with shorter wheelbase.

RB22 needs to consider going with the crowd on the anti dive geometry

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https://x.com/carpentiers_f1

Looks like the team is experimenting with some alternate solutions with an eye on next seasons car.
Edit: The floor bib images might have been marked incorrectly by carpentiers_f1, Italy should be the bottom image I think.

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euv2 wrote:
04 Sep 2026, 11:38
https://postimg.cc/N9d10Rf2
So they replaced the 'half-hearted' keel with a full 'ship's keel'. Wonder why other teams just leave their thin T-tray support spring-rod 'exposed' and decide not to cover it at all, while Redbull thinks it's better to put a sheath around it, and extend it all the way to the 'front floor edge'. What will happen under yaw, when the car steers, will this 'cover up' reduce the amount of air trying to 'get under' the outer longitudinal half of the floor ?

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These sidepods :wtf:
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On the other hand it's not aero what's the problem but the mechanical side.

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Mateusz Mróz & Nicolas Carpentiers

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lio007 wrote:
06 Sep 2026, 18:31
These sidepods :wtf:
https://i.imgur.com/VgOCM8l.jpeg
any "aerodynamics for dummies" will talk about a streamlined body v/s bluff body.
This is that bluff-body :D

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venkyhere wrote:
09 Sep 2026, 16:52
lio007 wrote:
06 Sep 2026, 18:31
These sidepods :wtf:
https://i.imgur.com/VgOCM8l.jpeg
any "aerodynamics for dummies" will talk about a streamlined body v/s bluff body.
This is that bluff-body :D
It looks so draggy, but the team obviously will have it's reasons for it.

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lio007 wrote:
09 Sep 2026, 17:57
venkyhere wrote:
09 Sep 2026, 16:52
lio007 wrote:
06 Sep 2026, 18:31
These sidepods :wtf:
https://i.imgur.com/VgOCM8l.jpeg
any "aerodynamics for dummies" will talk about a streamlined body v/s bluff body.
This is that bluff-body :D
It looks so draggy, but the team obviously will have it's reasons for it.
Looks to me (armchair expert) to be ALL about feeding and sealing the diffuser.

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Rikhart wrote:
09 Sep 2026, 19:49
lio007 wrote:
09 Sep 2026, 17:57
venkyhere wrote:
09 Sep 2026, 16:52


any "aerodynamics for dummies" will talk about a streamlined body v/s bluff body.
This is that bluff-body :D
It looks so draggy, but the team obviously will have it's reasons for it.
Looks to me (armchair expert) to be ALL about feeding and sealing the diffuser.
Looks to me like they're using the front of the sidepod as a bargeboard to push air outboard and thus push the front tyre wake outboard, and then using the sidepod top and "wall" to bring air down to the top of the rear floor. The sidepod "wall" helping to prevent the tyre wake coming back inboard.

Presumably the top surface is a lift generator but that is offset by a higher total downforce. I wonder if keeping the top surface centre of pressure stable is one issue that Max is feeling - if it moves or temporarily separates, e.g. mid corner or when behind another car, then that's going to change the overall balance of the car.
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