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If a driver can feel it and the sensors cannot, then it is because the car is not equipped with adequate instrumentation. A failure of the trackside engineering department. Every feeling from the driver seat can be measured by sensors if the car is equipped with the right ones. It's basic physics. If aero degrades or the balance shifts, then pressure sensors will change. If the mechanical platform deviates from the simulations, then it is measured by rotary encoders, potentiometers, strain gauges, and load cells that track the position and response of the suspension linkages.

Telling the world that the driver is the best sensor is not a bragging point.
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Badger wrote:
27 Jul 2026, 18:23
Just_a_fan wrote:
27 Jul 2026, 17:11
chrisc90 wrote:
27 Jul 2026, 12:38
What a move that was. Overtake of the season!

We actually chatted in the discord that up until about the VSC, there was only 2 overtakes in the top 6. And one of them was piastri on Norris at the start. The other being max on Lewis.
Overtake of the season? Wow, that's some claim - and somewhat sad if it proves to be true. Overtaking a bloke who is slower than you because he had to use up energy before the straight getting by a back marker whilst you had full power for more of the straight is basically a DRS overtake from a few years ago. The main thing on Sunday is that Max didn't lock up.

I would say that some of the moves we've seen with drivers going around the outside and keeping it on track are more impressive than the DRS-alike T1 overtake.
That was no deployment move, Hamilton got done in the braking zone from miles back, in a car with similar performance. I’ll take that over cruising around the outside of a car you are much faster than.
He was closing on Hamilton so obviously had more straight line performance. If he had the same deployment, he wouldn't have been close enough for a dive bomb (albeit a very successful dive bomb) attack. Ergo, a deployment overtake.
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AR3-GP wrote:
28 Jul 2026, 15:27
If a driver can feel it and the sensors cannot, then it is because the car is not equipped with adequate instrumentation. A failure of the trackside engineering department. Every feeling from the driver seat can be measured by sensors if the car is equipped with the right ones. It's basic physics. If aero degrades or the balance shifts, then pressure sensors will change. If the mechanical platform deviates from the simulations, then it is measured by rotary encoders, potentiometers, strain gauges, and load cells that track the position and response of the suspension linkages.

Telling the world that the driver is the best sensor is not a bragging point.
The human eyes are actually much more superior and advanced than any camera human have invented.
So its not exactly true that sensors are as superior as than human's natural ability.

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Just_a_fan wrote:
28 Jul 2026, 23:25
Badger wrote:
27 Jul 2026, 18:23
Just_a_fan wrote:
27 Jul 2026, 17:11


Overtake of the season? Wow, that's some claim - and somewhat sad if it proves to be true. Overtaking a bloke who is slower than you because he had to use up energy before the straight getting by a back marker whilst you had full power for more of the straight is basically a DRS overtake from a few years ago. The main thing on Sunday is that Max didn't lock up.

I would say that some of the moves we've seen with drivers going around the outside and keeping it on track are more impressive than the DRS-alike T1 overtake.
That was no deployment move, Hamilton got done in the braking zone from miles back, in a car with similar performance. I’ll take that over cruising around the outside of a car you are much faster than.
He was closing on Hamilton so obviously had more straight line performance. If he had the same deployment, he wouldn't have been close enough for a dive bomb (albeit a very successful dive bomb) attack. Ergo, a deployment overtake.
Oh, so now you don't enjoy the silly deployment overtakes anymore? According to yourself this is very enjoyable and every bit as exciting as the real F1 that never existed anyways. Make it make sense.

Just_a_fan wrote:
07 Jul 2026, 20:19
The arguments about "fake overtakes" and "yo-yo racing" are merely people who want some idealist F1 that has really never existed (at least not in the last 30-40 years, anyway).

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Just_a_fan wrote:
28 Jul 2026, 23:25
Badger wrote:
27 Jul 2026, 18:23
Just_a_fan wrote:
27 Jul 2026, 17:11


Overtake of the season? Wow, that's some claim - and somewhat sad if it proves to be true. Overtaking a bloke who is slower than you because he had to use up energy before the straight getting by a back marker whilst you had full power for more of the straight is basically a DRS overtake from a few years ago. The main thing on Sunday is that Max didn't lock up.

I would say that some of the moves we've seen with drivers going around the outside and keeping it on track are more impressive than the DRS-alike T1 overtake.
That was no deployment move, Hamilton got done in the braking zone from miles back, in a car with similar performance. I’ll take that over cruising around the outside of a car you are much faster than.
He was closing on Hamilton so obviously had more straight line performance. If he had the same deployment, he wouldn't have been close enough for a dive bomb (albeit a very successful dive bomb) attack. Ergo, a deployment overtake.
A deployment overtake is when you overtake someone on full throttle with deployment. A pass from way back in the braking zone is something else entirely. No need to detract just to detract.

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AR3-GP wrote:
28 Jul 2026, 15:27
If a driver can feel it and the sensors cannot, then it is because the car is not equipped with adequate instrumentation. A failure of the trackside engineering department. Every feeling from the driver seat can be measured by sensors if the car is equipped with the right ones. It's basic physics. If aero degrades or the balance shifts, then pressure sensors will change. If the mechanical platform deviates from the simulations, then it is measured by rotary encoders, potentiometers, strain gauges, and load cells that track the position and response of the suspension linkages.

Telling the world that the driver is the best sensor is not a bragging point.
Sounds like a skill issue with this team. Unserious team.
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Has anyone seen any update/news about what happened to the 'first round ADUO' and the 'appeal' launched by Redbull ? Remember reading sometime ago that 'things will clear before Hungarian GP or latest before summer break'.
Well, what happened ?

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Badger wrote:
27 Jul 2026, 23:31
avada wrote:
27 Jul 2026, 19:32
avantman wrote:
26 Jul 2026, 18:58


Days like today if anything should reinforce his desire to find an exit, if there’s any. What did the team do for him today? Stopped a lap after Hamilton, when even Krafitz could know he did an undercut already or left him make a 30 laps stint on a used soft?
He only got second, because he wasn't erroneously called into the pits like Hamilton.
Red Bull made better decisions than those around them.
Nah, this one was down to the drivers. Hamilton had it in his hands but bungled the defense in T1. Ferrari gave him the perfect undercut and had he just held position he would have finished second easily. Not to mention the speeding penalty and the lacklustre second stint which cost additional positions down to P5. Blaming the team is always easy but not right in this scenario.
Hamilton was in front of Verstappen on more durable tires who he couldn't even catch up to. And in front of Antonelli by 15 seconds, who he couldn't pass.

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aMessageToCharlie wrote:
29 Jul 2026, 06:51
Just_a_fan wrote:
28 Jul 2026, 23:25
Badger wrote:
27 Jul 2026, 18:23

That was no deployment move, Hamilton got done in the braking zone from miles back, in a car with similar performance. I’ll take that over cruising around the outside of a car you are much faster than.
He was closing on Hamilton so obviously had more straight line performance. If he had the same deployment, he wouldn't have been close enough for a dive bomb (albeit a very successful dive bomb) attack. Ergo, a deployment overtake.
Oh, so now you don't enjoy the silly deployment overtakes anymore? According to yourself this is very enjoyable and every bit as exciting as the real F1 that never existed anyways. Make it make sense.

Just_a_fan wrote:
07 Jul 2026, 20:19
The arguments about "fake overtakes" and "yo-yo racing" are merely people who want some idealist F1 that has really never existed (at least not in the last 30-40 years, anyway).
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Well said !
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venkyhere wrote:
29 Jul 2026, 18:15
Has anyone seen any update/news about what happened to the 'first round ADUO' and the 'appeal' launched by Redbull ? Remember reading sometime ago that 'things will clear before Hungarian GP or latest before summer break'.
Well, what happened ?
I read reports that Mercedes are planning to bring their ADUO update later in the season, so I assume Red Bull got their "clarification".

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Here we go again. :lol:

Max arrived in Porto Cervo, Sardinia Tuesday afternoon and Vermeulen flew straight on to Salzburg to the RB HQ.

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Vermeulen: travels to Austria, relaxes in a hotel and lays low for a day of two and meets with Red Bull once the Toto pics have gone public. Maxing that leverage :lol:

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Maybe Toto is just a blast to have a vacation with. At least one can assume after so many common boat trips :lol:
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Tom McCullough from AM will be the new Head of Race Engineering:

https://m.bild.de/sport/mehr-sport/form ... %2Ft.co%2F

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Against that backdrop, Waché was asked how many updates remain possible and whether Verstappen can still target victories this season.

"It's difficult to say," the Frenchman told media, including RacingNews365. "Going for wins this year is what we aim for.

"We are trying to improve the car. Clearly, we have a development plan until the end of the year.

"Everything we can do to improve the car, learn how this regulation works and understand how development can affect the characteristics and pace of the car, we are trying to do.

Waché highlighted how certain factors in the rulebook will prevent the Milton Keynes-based team from delivering exactly what it wants, but it nonetheless remains committed to returning to the top step of the podium this year.

"For sure, in terms of efficiency, we have some limitations in the regulations that could limit what we are doing," he added.

"But everything we can do to make the car capable of winning, could be Max or Isack, we are doing."
https://racingnews365.com/red-bull-set- ... -f1-season