Fernando Fernando!!!

[Hudsonhawk]

Yeah.....I don’t know brother......the more I think about it, the more I see him as a “Lucky” Fernando. Kimi had an unlucky year in 2004 too !!! Furnando's luck has been derived from kimi's bad luck.....however you want to look at it.....its neither here, nor there. Bottom line is he sailed under a lucky star and not even 2 weeks on it’s starting to be exploited......SAD

I think it should be seen for what it is.......a fortunate season (derived from one mans bad luck or another’s good luck....whatever turns you on) and a bloody reliable car. There is nothing wrong with him or the way he has won the title.....its how his winning of the title has been sold and portrayed. Don’t kid yourself......This cool head and the next great one is just sugar coating the cake.....its all a marketing ploy to return the masses and interest in the sport !! Ooooooo someone greater than MS !!

So if I run with your thought on he is asking for more than he really wants……how much does he want ??? 30 mil….40 mil…..you don’t float figures of 66 mill if you ain’t expecting to get close to that. I am questioning his true value?

Now, as for what he is playing at……there is only one team stupid enough to pay this ludicrous amount……the smoke machine is working overtime !

[Hudsonhawk]

Yeah.....I don’t know brother......the more I think about it, the more I see him as a “Lucky” Fernando. Kimi had an unlucky year in 2004 too !!! Furnando's luck has been derived from kimi's bad luck.....however you want to look at it.....its neither here, nor there. Bottom line is he sailed under a lucky star and not even 2 weeks on it’s starting to be exploited......SAD

I think it should be seen for what it is.......a fortunate season (derived from one mans bad luck or another’s good luck....whatever turns you on) and a bloody reliable car. There is nothing wrong with him or the way he has won the title.....its how his winning of the title has been sold and portrayed. Don’t kid yourself......This cool head and the next great one is just sugar coating the cake.....its all a marketing ploy to return the masses and interest in the sport !! Ooooooo someone greater than MS !!

So if I run with your thought on he is asking for more than he really wants……how much does he want ??? 30 mil….40 mil…..you don’t float figures of 66 mill if you ain’t expecting to get close to that. I am questioning his true value?

Now, as for what he is playing at……there is only one team stupid enough to pay this ludicrous amount……the smoke machine is working overtime !

[Hudsonhawk]

Yeah.....I don’t know brother......the more I think about it, the more I see him as a “Lucky” Fernando. Kimi had an unlucky year in 2004 too !!! Furnando's luck has been derived from kimi's bad luck.....however you want to look at it.....its neither here, nor there. Bottom line is he sailed under a lucky star and not even 2 weeks on it’s starting to be exploited......SAD

I think it should be seen for what it is.......a fortunate season (derived from one mans bad luck or another’s good luck....whatever turns you on) and a bloody reliable car. There is nothing wrong with him or the way he has won the title.....its how his winning of the title has been sold and portrayed. Don’t kid yourself......This cool head and the next great one is just sugar coating the cake.....its all a marketing ploy to return the masses and interest in the sport !! Ooooooo someone greater than MS !!

So if I run with your thought on he is asking for more than he really wants……how much does he want ??? 30 mil….40 mil…..you don’t float figures of 66 mill if you ain’t expecting to get close to that. I am questioning his true value?

Now, as for what he is playing at……there is only one team stupid enough to pay this ludicrous amount……the smoke machine is working overtime !

[manchild]

When I mentioned how unlucky Fernando was in 2004 I had in mind how lucky Schumacher was in that same year.

Regarding driver's paychecks... they are all overpaid just as other athletes/sportsman or actors. When doctors and humanitarian workers become highest paid professionals in the world than I'll say "it is fair".

When it matters Fernando’s paycheck - having in mind that he gets as much as Fisichella, I say it is unfair. Since most of the drivers today drive for the huge car manufacturers I wonder why Fernando shouldn’t get 3 or 4 times more money than Fisichella having in mind how much money his success will bring to Renault Group. That seams like a fair payment since it comes after something driver achieved. Paying driver in advance just to get him is what I see as a gamble and irrational action.

[Hudsonhawk]

That seams like a fair payment since it comes after something driver achieved.

This is the point.....How can this driver prove that his talent was a major contributing factor to the title....because he wants a major increase in salary ????

I don’t think F1 in its current state can be compared to other sports when it comes down to what someones pay check is worth.....for the simple reason that machine and technology plays a far superior role.

but if you want to compare......just to throw around a couple of quick thoughts....(i'm sure you'll return serve )

I don’t see Tiger Woods' clubs being a major contributing factor to him winning his tournaments......
I don’t see Rossi's bike being the major contributing factor to him winning (well at least in his last 2 years it hasn’t....).....

These guys have proven themselves.....Where is aloafso’s proof of his talent and skill.....he wins one championship and straight away they have their hands out.....its nothing but pure greed and exploiting the situation.....its no different to MS come to think of it...

I agree with you that Alonso is worth more than the Italian Fish Tailing Kamikaze, Fisichella, but 3 or 4 times more......are you serious ?

Once again, how can alonso justify his 66 million? The guy may be special, I don’t know, but I do believe that this year it has been more the Renault (designers, engineers…etc etc) than Alonso that has given Alonso the title.

Also, isnt there a conflict of interest in Flav running a team in which he manages a driver !!!!! HMMMMM....

Credit should be given where its due.......

I'd be interested if anyone knows what the top drivers are earning ?

[manchild]

This is the point.....How can this driver prove that his talent was a major contributing factor to the title....because he wants a major increase in salary ????

Well, he can point his finger to second driver and say - "Fisichella drove equal car and despite 10 years of experience he scored 1/3 of points I scored, so I want more than what he is getting".

Or do you think that it would be more logical to reduce Fisichella’s paycheck? Perhaps giving more money to driver with better score would be stimulating for other driver?

....(i'm sure you'll return serve )

[jaslfc]

i think teams should adopt to a salary system where the base salary is lower and hopefully equal for both drivers and reward them based on performance such as points, polepositions, wins. that will motivate the driver more and also justify the salary. if u remember jv the years he was in bar he was reported earnings GBP20milllion!! what did he achive there? nothing !! but you have to understand also that not the salary but the endorments make up for most of the drivers earnings... thats why button is so rich!! he is seen as a very marketable personality and is able to part with 10million + of his own money to wiliams

[Hudsonhawk]

Thats it.

How long has Alonso been with Renault and how long has Fish been with them ? A similar pattern is seen in Kimi and Montoya ????? Massa and JV etc etc

I love the boxing smilie but he hasnt thrown anything......it unlike you to shadow box bro......or do you agree with my thoughts ?

How can this driver prove that his talent was a major contributing factor to the title....because he wants a major increase in salary ????

As I said, I agreed with you alonso is worth more.....and i dont think you cant reduce fish's salary.....but not as much as you suggest as he cant justify his contribution to the tune of 66 mill? Anyway, I think the ANSWER to my question IS....Alonso is worth what Ferrari will pay, cause no one else is dumb enough to fork out that amount for a driver. Flav is all about business and a stuttle message has been sent to the team that buy everything and everyone.....Alonso is for sale....66 million ! Alonso is Flav's investment.....and he wants to cash in on him.....

[manchild]

This is Fisichella's 5 season for Benetton/Renault as he returned to team after 3 seasons but that is not the point, the point is that he is driving same car that won the WDC and he is 5th overall - behind Schumacher! This is Montoya's first season in Mclaren too and he is 2 places in front of Fisichella.

Finishing a place or two behind Alonso would have been fine (WCC title won several races ago) but he didn't even do that.

Boxing smiley is a joke…I agree with Rossi/Yamaha and other stuff you mentioned.

[Hudsonhawk]

I know smile is a joke.......

Cars change every year. I dont see your Fish point. I am talking about consecutive years.....not overall years .....perhaps i didnt word it right. Montoya said it best....he suggested he would be no where in the begining of the season until he bacame familiar with the car and towards the end he predicted he would improve.

Dont get me wrong, i dont rate fish at all, but i do believe that a driver who has been with a team in a consecutive period has the upper hand !

But this about Alonso, and he aint worth what flav is trying to extort.

[manchild]

I agree about consecutive years... but that would have more importance if the regulations didn't change so much. R25 is very different car compared to R24 especially when it matters downforce (behaviour/handling) and the engine. In a way, both of them (Alonso and Fisi) had the same time to fell the car - remember the first race, Fisi was really flying. Before the season began I thought that Fisi as more experienced driver will make fewer mistakes and have better score than Alonso…

I did mention that it can be wise thing to ask 66 mil hoping to get 22, those are probably just games.

[jaslfc]

i think even though fisi and alonso was given same status in the team after malaysia and bahrain the team may have slightly favoured alonso and developed the car more to his style. this can be seen in sauber with jv.. only after they started to work towards his driving style he started outperfoming massa, and now montoya admitted that first half of the season he found it difficult to drive and only later on in the development the car was working better for him. Why is that so? why cant these bigger teams design the cars according to each driver? is it that much more expensive and difficult? im not saying the chasis. im talking more with the aero development throughout the season

[Hudsonhawk]

Good point Manchild but development of a car starts mid season previous year, not to mention data collected would be from the retained driver. Look at Barri going to BAR. He isn't allowed near a BAR til new year. As Jasflc said, one driver would have more input and be favoured.

Fish's experience would only benefit a crash test dummy .... his data is used in determining the crumple zones of the vehicle. I heard Fish doesn't even consider his cart to be a vehicle....he refers to it as a projectile

Catchya on the Highway

[manchild]

I agree about the mid-season as the time when development began but R25 wasn’t driven at all until the winter. They were testing new engine in R24 chassis...

[Guest]

i think the drivers pay will not be going any higher. so far both the shumacher brothers are reportedly earning the most and then next i think will be button. i know kimi is less than 10mil per season

Kimi earns a little over 20mil a year. Slightly less than Ralf schumacher, they both make about 1.2 million a race. You decide whether they are worth the same amount of money though...