Williams FW32 Cosworth

[roost89]

I was told today (not by anyone at willies) that they had screwed up their aero design and are screaming out for contractors offering them at least 5 months work to try and catch up anyone else heard anything?

conni

Sounds like normal, them not getting aero right

Haven't heard a thing about it, until now and I'm not sure whether to believe it or not. Can't do much in 5 months, maybe a b-spec car.

[axle]

Doubt it...especially based on Rubens' comments on Autosport. I think they are running heavy and the engine is not being really thrashed yet...by the end of the week we should have a decent idea or what's what as I expect all to have made low and high fuel runs by the end.

Scarbs may be able to find out more...

It could just be a rumour sparked by another team to insight doubt...like the Ferrari stories about them being worried, yet when I read the Ferrari comments I saw caution about getting over excited without proof.

[roost89]

From what Rubens is saying on Autosport
The main problem is understeer. As to be expected with heavy cars and smaller front wheels.

We do have a balance problem with these new tyres. We are having some understeer on the car, so with that amount of fuel we were running, and the lack of balance, I kind of liked the day. We were struggling a bit too much with the understeer, but just trying to dial it out. It was a very good first day.

Engine wasn't running full-tilt either

We could quite clearly say that we were not running on our limits, because it was the first day out of the dyno running on the track. So we are not running on full power and there is lots to be gained.

[RacingManiac]

Jury is still out on Williams I think....the Toyota last year wasn't exactly short on power, so switching to the "long-life" Cosworth will be an unknown for them.

[ESPImperium]

Jury is still out on Williams I think....the Toyota last year wasn't exactly short on power, so switching to the "long-life" Cosworth will be an unknown for them.

Personally i think they should have gone with the Renault power package for 2010, but the thing with the Renault the wernt happy about was that they wouldnt have any input on how the RS27-2010 was developed in terms of power band as they would have to choose a Renault or Red Bull power band for the first year.

Williams were looking for a custom powerband straight off, but as Red Bull found out with the RB3 and RB4 it takes a year to eighteen months to get the power band just about right for the car. I dont think that Williams had that patience, and since they Cosworth plant was using the powerband that they help develop in 2006. Williams wanted the Renault power, but the "custom" technical support that Cosworth were offering was the deal maker.

BUT heres the theory that was offered to me since the Williams power package was announced so late in the day; Williams knew that Toyota were wanting to pull out, and Toyota came to them and offered them free engines untill 2010, and do what could be effectivly known as a "Team Merger" (whitch would have seen Williams take on a few old Toyota sponsors as well, worth up to $80million a year) where the team is know as Toyota Williams to get Toyota out of the concorde aggreement, but Frank Williams was starting to get a little sick of having to have a Toyota driver in one of his seats and said no out of choice as the Barrichello deal was all but done then, whitch means he would have to choose between Hulkenberg or Kobiyashai and he wanted Nico over Kimui. Personally id have taken that offer, but given Kimui and Nico a race about offer for the first 14 races, and the driver who was best after that would have been in the seat for the rest of the year. And both Nico and Kimui in the team for 2011, would have made on strong and young team in my opinion.

[megz]

I don't see why Williams wouldn't be running KERS this year, the car is still able to use it is it not? (i.e. The Cosworth engine and Xtrac/Williams Gearbox are both made to support it) they developed it through last year and said they had no intention of following the FOTA agreement stating they wouldn't use them. It probably didn't help that FOTA chucked them out when the signed up with FOM/the FIA last year during the breakaway saga. What's everyone elses thoughts?

[conni]

this is F1 if you have an advantage you should use it

conni

[mx_tifoso]

this is F1 if you have an advantage you should use it

Unless it isn't in the 'spirit of the rules'.

Then get spanked by not doing so even though it's legal.

**Cough**Diffuser**cough**Ferrari**cough**cough**

[axle]

Jury is still out on Williams I think....the Toyota last year wasn't exactly short on power, so switching to the "long-life" Cosworth will be an unknown for them.

The jury should be out on all the cars and teams after just 1 day of testing!!

[axle]

I don't see why Williams wouldn't be running KERS this year, the car is still able to use it is it not? (i.e. The Cosworth engine and Xtrac/Williams Gearbox are both made to support it) they developed it through last year and said they had no intention of following the FOTA agreement stating they wouldn't use them. It probably didn't help that FOTA chucked them out when the signed up with FOM/the FIA last year during the breakaway saga. What's everyone elses thoughts?

They have publically stated they won't. I don't think they got over their NVH issues. Being a member of FOTA they have agreed to play by FOTA's rules.

If they ran KERS they would have to, a) go back on their word, b) stick massive warning stickers and warning lights on the car c) deal with the --- storm that would ensue...

Obviously point b) would be picked up on fairly quickly by all the other teams.
The Williams team are not win at all costs, they are win within the rules, exploit the rules but don't break them "OBVIOUSLY". Yes...even FOTA's rules.

[axle]

Jury is still out on Williams I think....the Toyota last year wasn't exactly short on power, so switching to the "long-life" Cosworth will be an unknown for them.

Personally i think they should have gone with the Renault power package for 2010, but the thing with the Renault the wernt happy about was that they wouldnt have any input on how the RS27-2010 was developed in terms of power band as they would have to choose a Renault or Red Bull power band for the first year.

Williams were looking for a custom powerband straight off, but as Red Bull found out with the RB3 and RB4 it takes a year to eighteen months to get the power band just about right for the car. I dont think that Williams had that patience, and since they Cosworth plant was using the powerband that they help develop in 2006. Williams wanted the Renault power, but the "custom" technical support that Cosworth were offering was the deal maker.

Engines are fairly easy to map, wouldn't take more than a few test sessions to key it into the car. And then you're forgetting that some circuits will demand different maps, it will all depend on the time spent at WOT (Wide Open Throttle), time spent at 17,000+ rpm, nature of the circuit, atmospheric conditions etc. So in short this isn't an issue. The fact they would have been the 3rd team is an issue though, and with Renault's waivering stance I can't blame Williams going for a guarantee'd option, when Renault could pull the plug at any time. Williams will also be the No.1 team for Cosworth, they will guide development.

BUT heres the theory that was offered to me since the Williams power package was announced so late in the day; Williams knew that Toyota were wanting to pull out, and Toyota came to them and offered them free engines untill 2010, and do what could be effectivly known as a "Team Merger" (whitch would have seen Williams take on a few old Toyota sponsors as well, worth up to $80million a year) where the team is know as Toyota Williams to get Toyota out of the concorde aggreement, but Frank Williams was starting to get a little sick of having to have a Toyota driver in one of his seats and said no out of choice as the Barrichello deal was all but done then, whitch means he would have to choose between Hulkenberg or Kobiyashai and he wanted Nico over Kimui. Personally id have taken that offer, but given Kimui and Nico a race about offer for the first 14 races, and the driver who was best after that would have been in the seat for the rest of the year. And both Nico and Kimui in the team for 2011, would have made on strong and young team in my opinion.

Nice theory...an indeed their are some aspects of it that makes sense. But not the Toyota Williams bit...and as for the sponsors, they are going begging anyway, they arn't going to just jump ship cause Toyota told them to.

Williams Cosworth makes a lot of sense, it's all British for one, Frank and Patrick are patriotic.
It's good commercially, as no sponsors can be scared off by association with a manufacturer.
The engine stands every chance of being as good as the competition by all measures. Cosworth arn't exactly stupid when it comes down to it. And F1 technology hasn't moved on that much since they were last in it.
And as said, I'd rather be master of my own destiny than having to get a 3rd rate service...

[ESPImperium]

Jury is still out on Williams I think....the Toyota last year wasn't exactly short on power, so switching to the "long-life" Cosworth will be an unknown for them.

Personally i think they should have gone with the Renault power package for 2010, but the thing with the Renault the wernt happy about was that they wouldnt have any input on how the RS27-2010 was developed in terms of power band as they would have to choose a Renault or Red Bull power band for the first year.

Williams were looking for a custom powerband straight off, but as Red Bull found out with the RB3 and RB4 it takes a year to eighteen months to get the power band just about right for the car. I dont think that Williams had that patience, and since they Cosworth plant was using the powerband that they help develop in 2006. Williams wanted the Renault power, but the "custom" technical support that Cosworth were offering was the deal maker.

Engines are fairly easy to map, wouldn't take more than a few test sessions to key it into the car. And then you're forgetting that some circuits will demand different maps, it will all depend on the time spent at WOT (Wide Open Throttle), time spent at 17,000+ rpm, nature of the circuit, atmospheric conditions etc. So in short this isn't an issue. The fact they would have been the 3rd team is an issue though, and with Renault's waivering stance I can't blame Williams going for a guarantee'd option, when Renault could pull the plug at any time. Williams will also be the No.1 team for Cosworth, they will guide development.

BUT heres the theory that was offered to me since the Williams power package was announced so late in the day; Williams knew that Toyota were wanting to pull out, and Toyota came to them and offered them free engines untill 2010, and do what could be effectivly known as a "Team Merger" (whitch would have seen Williams take on a few old Toyota sponsors as well, worth up to $80million a year) where the team is know as Toyota Williams to get Toyota out of the concorde aggreement, but Frank Williams was starting to get a little sick of having to have a Toyota driver in one of his seats and said no out of choice as the Barrichello deal was all but done then, whitch means he would have to choose between Hulkenberg or Kobiyashai and he wanted Nico over Kimui. Personally id have taken that offer, but given Kimui and Nico a race about offer for the first 14 races, and the driver who was best after that would have been in the seat for the rest of the year. And both Nico and Kimui in the team for 2011, would have made on strong and young team in my opinion.

Nice theory...an indeed their are some aspects of it that makes sense. But not the Toyota Williams bit...and as for the sponsors, they are going begging anyway, they arn't going to just jump ship cause Toyota told them to.

Williams Cosworth makes a lot of sense, it's all British for one, Frank and Patrick are patriotic.
It's good commercially, as no sponsors can be scared off by association with a manufacturer.
The engine stands every chance of being as good as the competition by all measures. Cosworth arn't exactly stupid when it comes down to it. And F1 technology hasn't moved on that much since they were last in it.
And as said, I'd rather be master of my own destiny than having to get a 3rd rate service...

I think youve hit the main points on the head. Williams wanted to be back to being wholy British team, wanted to be the master of their own destiny and be able to have more influence over the engine development being the #1 customer for Cosworth.

And as it stands, there could be at least 1 of the new teams running a diffrent engine in 2011 anyways. Meaning that Williams have more of the decision making would be a really good idea for them.

[Tonn]

Hah, the way to connect the main wing to the endplate was sooo my idea

[outer_bongolia]

Hah, the way to connect the main wing to the endplate was sooo my idea

=D>
They must have someone reading the forums.

[PNSD]

Hate to say, but Williams were running that setup last year !