Chinese GP 2010 - Shanghai

[Just_a_fan]

Hunt and Senna would be spinning in their graves if they read some of the posts in this thread.

Racing should be about drivers showing who's got the biggest balls, and spectators saying "OMFG how do they do that ?". If the drivers are happy with events, then so should we. We are just observers standing on the sidelines.

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[komninosm]

How do you explain this segedunum? Look at all the wheel guns to the left... DANGEROUS Move by Vettel!

The best video was posted so far by a detractor of Hamilton, Andrew:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fyodQbly ... r_embedded
It clearly shows Vettel needlessly swerving and nearly "crashing" into Hamilton.

[Giblet]

ATTACK THE POST, NOT THE POSTER

Calling anyone, anything, is pointless and against the rules, and making this F1FlameWar.net and not F1technical.net.

[komninosm]

Wrong. There are rules about crossing the white lines on pit lane entry and exit, and we've seen drivers penalised certainly on the exit. No amount of mind bending or mental gymnastics is going to make what Hamilton or Alonso did right or legal. The white lines are there to denote the boundaries of what you're allowed to drive in.

As for why these rules aren't being enforced, well, that's another story.

Wrong.

All 4 wheels, yes. Not just two. That is only the pit exit white line you might be thinking about.

Please quote the rule so I don't have to, since you are the one in disagreement. then I will concede, no problem.

He will continue to dodge the regulations. One other thing i notice as well is that they say Vettel was infront and could do what he pleases, but there is no such rule as well.
Nothing in the rules about having the right to push a driver off becuase you are in front and want all 3 car widths of road to yourself.
The Vettel infront thing is false, pit lane limiter therefore no threat of being overtaken, no reason to bully any driver beside, or slightly behind.

Imagine if Hamliton did what Vettel did?

Oh lordy! =D> CHEATER!!! He tried to ram Vettel head on into the pits so anthony hamilton could pop out of the pits and cut his tyres when no one is looking!
cheating bastards!!!

EXACTLY! =D> =D> =D> =D> =D> =D> =D>

[ringo]

OMFG! You watch that clip and you don't see what happens?! Are you blind? Blinded by bias probably.
Thanks for providing evidence of Vettel swerving and putting his rear wheel between the Mclaren wheels [sec 8+]. Watch it carefully. I really liked Vettel, but this year he sucks and this isn't the only bad thing he's done.
How can they have been released at the same time?! Didn't we already answer that countless times? Vettel was released 0.2 seconds earlier (that still makes McLaren lollipop man's actions a safe release) and Ham accelerated slowly/poorly because he had wheel spin while Vettel made a very good start. Are you a conspiracy theorist or something? Free fall speed ring a bell for you?

PS: The FFS was because it was already answered.

Again with the insults. If that is going to be the basis of your arguement with everyone then there is clearly no point having any discussion on this with you. But in one last attempt, here goes...

Firstly, no one has denied Vettels moving over if you would take the time to READ what has already been writen.

Lets stick to the FACTS: Vettel was released FIRST. Vettel was ahead all along the pit. The driver behind should have given way.

Conspiracy theorist? No. But I know what you are.

where is it in the regulations vettel has the right to squeeze someone to force them to line up behind him?

[vall]

That was just one moment, LH could have pulled out earlier or after. He did not do it until the last moment; he drove over the blue area all the way

Why should Lewis pull out earlier? He was side by side with V like it has happened in previous years and the cars were fine. Only the idiot Vettel has ever tried to crash another car in the pits for this. And I used to like him.

Because Vettel we 1/2 car ahead of LH, that's why

[andrew]

where is it in the regulations vettel has the right to squeeze someone to force them to line up behind him?

As written earlier, no one is denying that Vettels actions were not correct. As I said both should be penalised.

[komninosm]

OMFG! You watch that clip and you don't see what happens?! Are you blind? Blinded by bias probably.
Thanks for providing evidence of Vettel swerving and putting his rear wheel between the Mclaren wheels [sec 8+]. Watch it carefully. I really liked Vettel, but this year he sucks and this isn't the only bad thing he's done.
How can they have been released at the same time?! Didn't we already answer that countless times? Vettel was released 0.2 seconds earlier (that still makes McLaren lollipop man's actions a safe release) and Ham accelerated slowly/poorly because he had wheel spin while Vettel made a very good start. Are you a conspiracy theorist or something? Free fall speed ring a bell for you?

PS: The FFS was because it was already answered.

Again with the insults. If that is going to be the basis of your arguement with everyone then there is clearly no point having any discussion on this with you. But in one last attempt, here goes...

Firstly, no one has denied Vettels moving over if you would take the time to READ what has already been writen.

Lets stick to the FACTS: Vettel was released FIRST. Vettel was ahead all along the pit. The driver behind should have given way.

Conspiracy theorist? No. But I know what you are.

where is it in the regulations vettel has the right to squeeze someone to force them to line up behind him?

It's called Andrew's Red Mist rule. Only applies to when the victim is Hamilton.

[komninosm]

That was just one moment, LH could have pulled out earlier or after. He did not do it until the last moment; he drove over the blue area all the way

Why should Lewis pull out earlier? He was side by side with V like it has happened in previous years and the cars were fine. Only the idiot Vettel has ever tried to crash another car in the pits for this. And I used to like him.

Because Vettel we 1/2 car ahead of LH, that's why

1/2 a car is still racing, you can't push other cars off road. Also no rules says Hamilton had to get behind Vettel before they reached the exit. Vettel is in the wrong.
At least you finally admitted Vettel was only 1/2 a car ahead at best and drove Ham off track needlessly (speed limiter hello?) endangering the pit crew.

[komninosm]

where is it in the regulations vettel has the right to squeeze someone to force them to line up behind him?

As written earlier, no one is denying that Vettels actions were not correct. As I said both should be penalised.

I'm pretty sure some people are denying that Vettel's actions were not correct. Are you reading the same thread we are? And why penalise Hamilton? For the pit entry? OK show us the rule he broke, the exact rule. Only Vettel did anything "bad" afterwards.

[vall]

where is it in the regulations vettel has the right to squeeze someone to force them to line up behind him?

It's called Andrew's Red Mist rule. Only applies to when the victim is Hamilton.

Could someone point me the regulation where it says a driver cannon cross the lines one exit of the pit? I cannot find that part, but in the past drivers have received penalties for such action.

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[andrew]

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+1 =D>

Perhaps another thread should be set up to discuss the Hamilton/Vettel/Pitlane issue.

There were a few other things in the race to discuss:

1. Petrov's first points,
2. Schumachers sadly disappointing result,
3. Another podium for Roseberg,
4. The first lap accident with another car being launched by the kerbs (it would seem).
etc etc

[komninosm]

where is it in the regulations vettel has the right to squeeze someone to force them to line up behind him?

It's called Andrew's Red Mist rule. Only applies to when the victim is Hamilton.

Could someone point me the regulation where it says a driver cannon cross the lines one exit of the pit? I cannot find that part, but in the past drivers have received penalties for such action.

Nice evasion, but someone already posted that. Read back.
Just admit you were wrong guys. What is the big deal? Why do you have to blame Hamilton all the time? He has done idiotic and despicable things in the past (as I'm sure you know) so why do you need to "win" this issue too? He's done enough "bad" things to justify anyone in not liking him. I was pretty pissed myself. But this is another situation so stop committing the well known logical fallacy and judge this event on its own merit.
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[Just_a_fan]

There have certainly been penalties handed down for crossing the white line on exit and the rules regarding those white lines are there.

Actually, there are no rules about exiting the pit lane. Read the regs, see if you can find it.

There is however a convention of painting a white line like a slip road before the cars merge, and the race director telling drivers that crossing that line is deemed unsporting. Then at some tracks (tight twisty ones) the director will tell the drivers that the pit exits is really really really important because the approach to the exit is unsighted.

Of course its only unsporting if it disrupts a driver coming down the straight, or is crossed to gain unfair advantage, or unsafe.

So, lets look to the last time there was a penalty. Rosberg in Singapore in 2009. very tight twisty track, blind approach, the drivers were warned in advance, Rosberg crossed the line by a long way, got a drive through penalty.

I think this exit system was introduced after Berger barrelled in to the side of another car as he (Berger) was exiting the pits. He just shot straight over to the racing line side of the track. Or rather he would have had another car not inconveniently been there already.