Mclaren is in trouble

jgredline · Post 02 Feb 2006, 21:24

This season is shaping out not to be between JPM and Kimi, but Mclaren VS midland or red bull junior. Not good. not good.

Sawtooth-spike · Post 02 Feb 2006, 21:53

what? why?, i have yet to see random holes in there body work, Like i have on other teams. The Mclaren will be up the top like always. and if they are not right away they will be half way into the season.
2 things you can count on in f1, Ferrari are red and mclaren are fast

Guest · Post 02 Feb 2006, 22:05

Not in the mid 90's, they weren't!
...Fast I mean.

As for Ferrari, they are always red...
Except for one time or another when they raced in yellow.

-T

Guest · Post 02 Feb 2006, 22:19

Mclaren will always have a fast car, the question is wether mercedes benz can provide them with an engine that will be powerful enough to make the mp4-21 go fast.

Take for example honda. Lets face it, they won't be as competative as we've seen them in testing if they didn'y have a really good engine.

Sawtooth-spike · Post 02 Feb 2006, 22:44

yeah the 90's, ok, Fast (Except for the 90's)

dumrick · Post 02 Feb 2006, 23:21

We can only check real paces the time the season starts. Otherwise, Arrows would have won a couple of championships...

jgredline · Post 03 Feb 2006, 03:22

Mclaren lost another engine today.
Don't get me wrong. I am JPM fan all the way and want to see him win.
The Mclaren itself is a great car is is likley the best. The Mercedes engine is what I am concerned about. Last count I ready this would be like the 10th V8 they have lost. I will look for the link and post it.

..tetopelis · Post 03 Feb 2006, 06:06

wow that many...i don't think so. all i have read is they have had fuel pump problem and electrical glitches..i have never read anywhere that thier engine actually had a failure..and they were once doing a simulation of stoping the car on track during one of the tests..so i don't think any of the V8 has actually gone up in smoke..but true at that the engine is not up to pace as of yet...sad actually..they have such a beautiful car, yet the engine is letting them down..but if we know mclaren..they can turn around any bad situation good in a less time then a whole season takes..just need to see the 2004 season..where they started out with an abismal of a car(mp4-19)...but ended up with a car that was chasing for wins 3/4 way through the season (mp4-19b)..and if kimi's words are rite..thier engine problem solution is already in the pipeline..hopefully it will be done by the season start.
what i don't understand is how come the mercedes derived engine in the mclaren seems to be so fragile every season??..its amazing. and it all seem to start once the berrillium ban came into place..anyone with a deduction??

manchild · Post 03 Feb 2006, 10:44

That could be tactics Daimler Chrysler uses to buy Mclaren as cheap as possible (ruin and by cheap). I think that BMW had same intention with Williams, thank god they've left!

monkeyboy1976 · Post 03 Feb 2006, 10:55

That's an interesting conspiracy theory Manchild. I suppose if they can cope with the negative publicity of crappy engines until they buy McLaren then OK.
I'm fairly sure though that Mercedes won't be able to do it. McLaren are too big a company. BMW failed with Williams and they are smaller. Good on Frank fro standing up to them. It was pretty bad the way BMW kept slagging of the car.

GuestAgain · Post 03 Feb 2006, 10:56

As far as I know, they have not had an engine failure yet. They have had an electrical problem, a simulated stop on track and other niggling problems with any new car but as far as I am aware no reported engine failure.

jezzwa · Post 03 Feb 2006, 11:01

I have heard rumours that Mercedes are completely rethinking and rebuilding their V8's right now, is that true?

Scuderia_Russ · Post 03 Feb 2006, 11:55

I read in yeaterdays Autosport that not only have they had engine failures but they are going to have to wait three weeks before their new V8 development parts become available!! The whole operation looks like it's falling to bits! I reckon it's going to be 2004 all over again. Are we going to see a race to get Schueys Ferrari seat between Montoya and Kimi?!

DaveKillens · Post 03 Feb 2006, 19:25

Parts failures are to be expected during the development of a new engine. But there is also a development schedule. If McLaren fall behind on their development because they can't design and build replacement parts quick enough, or that more failures are happening than anticipated, it would be big trouble. Renault proved how important it is to have a well-developed car at the start of the season, it gave them a car that didn't let them down all year.
I study the drivers, and how they are reacting. Montoya is shopping around for next year already, and Kimi will not commit to McLaren.
I would not be the least bit surprised to see both of them gone at the end of the season.

Guest · Post 03 Feb 2006, 19:41

DaveKillens wrote:Parts failures are to be expected during the development of a new engine. But there is also a development schedule. If McLaren fall behind on their development because they can't design and build replacement parts quick enough, or that more failures are happening than anticipated, it would be big trouble. Renault proved how important it is to have a well-developed car at the start of the season, it gave them a car that didn't let them down all year.
I study the drivers, and how they are reacting. Montoya is shopping around for next year already, and Kimi will not commit to McLaren.
I would not be the least bit surprised to see both of them gone at the end of the season.

I don`t think we will have to wait all season. Decisions will be made around Imola or Spain, at least Kimi. Last year it was 3 bad races and KR was practically gone from the WDC hunt if you look back now.