Turkish GP 2010 - Istanbul Park

[TheRMVR]

First of all Webber defended way too wide

Watch again...Webber never moves an inch from the line he was on...He never knew the idiot was coming til he was there and smashing into him...It was dumb dumb dumb by Vettel.

I don't want to start a discussion because I've said what I've said and thats that. But Webber does look in his mirror so he sees Vettel coming, Vettel is almost on the grass, it's not the first time he does something like that.

[autogyro]

IMO the RBs were sand bagging for reliability reasons.
Dont forget, although the first four cars were close for many laps, there was little chance of passing and when RB ordered Vettel to dial up his engine he passed Webber easily.
To be fair, Hamilton wrung the neck of the McLaren and drove it through the bouncing and turbulence.
I still think McLaren has a long way to go to catch the RBs technicaly but it is almost there for Hamilton to pressure them into mistakes and mechanical problems.
I do not believe it is possible to change the design direction enough this year to catch the RBs that way.

[furnik28]

Webber was on the racing line to enter the cornner you dont back off to let every willi nilli through. that would show your a bad driver. when i looked back at the hard drive footage of last night webber used that spot to enter that turn about 44 time's so u cant blame a driver on that.

[Giblet]

Maybe RedBull should put enough fuel in their cars to run the whole race at 10/10ths.

[djos]

I don't want to start a discussion because I've said what I've said and thats that. But Webber does look in his mirror so he sees Vettel coming, Vettel is almost on the grass, it's not the first time he does something like that.

What rot, Vettel placed himself there so dont go blaming Webber for Seb not having much track to play with.

[marcush.]

Maybe RedBull should put enough fuel in their cars to run the whole race at 10/10ths.

+1 my thoughts but then not only Virgin seems to have gotten something wrong in their fuel calculations?? see Mclaren also in fuel conserving mode ..

[PNSD]

I dont think the F-duct is as simple as that ...

Ferrari have clearly had trouble, Force India didnt notice a huge improvment, nor did RedBull. The fact that Mclaren have been developing it for some time is justice enough to how difficult it is to reap the rewards of it !

Id be supprised if RedBull saw a significant increase in top-speed whilst still keeping driveability of the car. It will take time.

And for us Mclaren fans, thats good!

[TheRMVR]

I don't want to start a discussion because I've said what I've said and thats that. But Webber does look in his mirror so he sees Vettel coming, Vettel is almost on the grass, it's not the first time he does something like that.

What rot, Vettel placed himself there so dont go blaming Webber for Seb not having much track to play with.

They're teammates! You let eachother live. But Marko and Horner agree with me so I'm right

[autogyro]

I knew this one would run and run.
IMO, the fault is firmly with the RB Team management.
Vettel was ordered to turn up his engine and Webber to conserve fuel.
When Vettel attempted the pass, he could do so with an obvious power advantage.
The RB drivers are allowed to race each other and unless unofficial and against the rules orders were given for Webber to make room, he did nothing wrong.
Vettel also did nothing wrong attempting the pass. The result was mistakes by both drivers. A racing incident.
Horner is the one to blame.
I think it all originates IMO from the RBs sand bagging for reliability reasons.
Dont forget, the first four cars were close for many laps but there was little chanceof passing and it kept the McLarens in the turbulence.
Hamilton drove a brilliant race but his car is still way out classed by the RBs.

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[dannyteasdale]

Its come out that Webber had to conserve fuel, not Vettel turning his engine up. Vettel had extra fuel conserved while following Ham/Web which meant he could run an extra lap or so at full power.
Hamilton did, Like you say, wring the neck of the car, but he was in dirty air, constantly. Just imagine what he would have done in clear air?
Mclaren made a big step towards the RedBulls this weekend with turn 8 being the only major downfall in the lap, putting in consistenly lower times than the RedBulls.
Maybe your right with design direction - but do they have to go in the same direction?


As for Vettel passing Webber easily, it depends who you though caused the crash, but I dont think he passed him, Its more of a 'Attempted' Pass as it didnt actually happen no?
They should take note from the respect the Mclaren drivers have for each other, and dont close the door, never mind the almost certain 1-2 they had.

[Shaddock]

I've taken the onboard shot and drawn a line from the aerial up to the scenery.

What it shows is that Webber was slight drifting right as he appraoched the corner - not moving left in Vettel.

Vettel need to be on the right hand side of the track to slow the car down otherwise Webber would have outbraked him, and had the inside line for the next corner.

[autogyro]

I meant attempted pass, although Vettel was in front.
Talk is that the Webber fuel saving and Vettel with extra fuel is an excuse from management.
It makes little sense that Webber was anywhere near low on fuel anymore than Button and Hamilton were.
Concealed team orders is the truth IMO.
The more that comes out, the more it looks like a badly called move ordered by the Team in preference to Vettel.
I also still believe the RBs were sand bagging for the whole race for reliability reasons. They could have been way ahead.
McLaren will not catch the pace of the RBs with the technical direction they are on with the current car and it is to much and against the regulations to change completely.

[zenithbeach]

the important thing here i think is that Christian H said immediately after the race that it was mark's fault because he was slower than vettel. he implied that webber was told to let vettel pass (obviously in a code).

when webber was then interviewed and asked about this particular "information" he looked totally oblivious and confused. he was like "WTF, no way, nobody told me that" blah blah so basically it was a miscommunication on red bulls part.

its rather frustrating for both drivers i think, and i hope that - even though they seem to blame each other - incidents like that wont happen again! i mean look at how many points theyve lost! especially vettel shouldnt have been so aggressive, because, out of everyone, he should know the importance of every single point!

so the only comment i have to the crash is a big fat: duh!

[clarkiesyeah]

the important thing here i think is that Christian H said immediately after the race that it was mark's fault because he was slower than vettel. he implied that webber was told to let vettel pass (obviously in a code).

when webber was then interviewed and asked about this particular "information" he looked totally oblivious and confused. he was like "WTF, no way, nobody told me that" blah blah so basically it was a miscommunication on red bulls part.

its rather frustrating for both drivers i think, and i hope that - even though they seem to blame each other - incidents like that wont happen again! i mean look at how many points theyve lost! especially vettel shouldnt have been so aggressive, because, out of everyone, he should know the importance of every single point!

so the only comment i have to the crash is a big fat: duh!

Yep, Horner is proving himself to be the weak link in RB. I'm now wondering if all the reliablity issues they've had are nothing to do with Newey's radical designs, more to do with how Horner manages his team.
I wouldn't want to work for the weasle, thats for sure.