2008 by Mosley

manchild · Post 04 Feb 2006, 04:38

According to reports, manufacturer backed teams will receive no revenue from the sport's commercial rights from 2008… if Max Mosley has his way.

At a time when it appeared that a compromise between the manufacturers - five of which are behind the proposed breakaway (GPMA) series - might be possible, the situation is sure to be reignited following, FIA President, Max Mosley's comments to the British media.

"I believe it would be entirely reasonable to offer the manufacturers that join the Formula 1 World Championship no income," he told the Evening Standard on Friday.

With Ferrari, WilliamsF1, Red Bull, Toro Rosso and Midland having signed up to the new Concorde Agreement, Mosley appears to be suggesting that the teams currently holding out for an improved deal should be excluded from the F1 financial package.

Reaction from the Grand Prix Manufacturers' Association (GPMA) wasn't long in coming.

"In view of the EU ruling on the role of the Governing Body, we are surprised by Mr. Mosley's comments," said a spokesperson. "GPMA remains committed to its strategy and will continue discussions with the Commercial Rights Holder."

Therefore we can surmise that despite recent claims that a deal was close at hand, the gloves are off once again.

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Fits the profile...

like - Ferrari is just Ferrari and they are small team with no relation to FIAT (which is by Max probabaly not car manufacturer). Same goes for Red Bull, STR and MF1.

According to Max they are all small f1 teams, the F1 specialist and their owners are begging on the street without being big fat global corporations

Scuderia_Russ · Post 04 Feb 2006, 10:14

After years of reading 'F1 news' stories I've learned to read between the lines. Sounds to me like Max is just letting the teams yet to sign up know that F1 will go on with or without them, so stop messing about like sulking kids and sign up for '08.

RH1300S · Post 04 Feb 2006, 12:04

Seems to me Ferrari knew this was coming

Only last week they went to great pains to say that they were an independant, not a manufacturer...............

How many CARS to they make and sell each year???

When Enzo was kicking around here called the "independant" team "Garagistes". Ferrari aligned themselves to the "Grandee" teams - Mercedes, Alfa-Romeo, Lancia, Maserati, Porsche.........you could argue quite a reasonable statement given that they all manufactured complete cars and also went racing.

So...........what's changed eh Mr Ferrari???

Great ruse from Max.....just not sure how they will make it float

I suppose one should add that it seems a trifle infair to single out the manufacturers (even if you could properly define a manufacturer in the F1 context) - what about the very deep pockets of Red-Bull? How should they be classed in the scheme of things? Can't see how this can work....

Scuderia_Russ · Post 04 Feb 2006, 12:33

RH1300S wrote: it seems a trifle unfair to single out the manufacturers.

They have singled themselves out! Now Max is pressuring them to show their hand and decide whether they are in or out. They are commited until 2008 by which time if they all wanted to leave they can do so because of the list of teams queing up to join the new low(er) cost formula.

[IMG:200:154]http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v284/ ... r/han1.jpg[/img] -I love it when a plan comes together Max!

[IMG:150:180]http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v284/ ... 50_dpa.jpg[/img] - Me too Hannibal, me too

RMW_77 · Post 04 Feb 2006, 13:05

Why not have a 2 tier championship, so the indepedants can fight amonst themselves in their championship and the manufacturers can do the same.

That way the manufacturers can spend silly money and the independants (such as Red Bull, McLaren Williams) can get down to serious business/

Scuderia_Russ · Post 04 Feb 2006, 13:10

No-one will want to sponsor the independant teams because they will be seen as second rate in a second rate championship.

rmw_77 · Post 04 Feb 2006, 13:11

If the both race together sponser may still hang around.

bernard · Post 04 Feb 2006, 15:11

RMW_77 wrote:Why not have a 2 tier championship, so the indepedants can fight amonst themselves in their championship and the manufacturers can do the same.

That way the manufacturers can spend silly money and the independants (such as Red Bull, McLaren Williams) can get down to serious business/

Bad idea.

manchild · Post 04 Feb 2006, 17:00

RMW_77 wrote:Why not have a 2 tier championship, so the indepedants can fight amonst themselves in their championship and the manufacturers can do the same.

That way the manufacturers can spend silly money and the independants (such as Red Bull, McLaren Williams) can get down to serious business/

Mclaren is not independant, Red Bull is not F1 specialist constructor, STR is not F1 specialist constructor (they are both owned by same global corporation), Ferrari is dependant... so, Williams is the only independant, F1 specialist constructor out there now.

It would be better to finish for good with grand prix racing than to have 2 championships with 5 teams in each.

Scuderia_Russ · Post 04 Feb 2006, 20:09

If there are two championships then Formula 1 will not be the championship with only five teams unless the G.P.M.A. can convince any other manufacturers to joing their series. The series that they don't have a set of technical or sporting regulations for, no circuits willing to host a race and the ability to spend itself into certain failure. Good luck to 'em. If there is a split then I bet the maufacturers will be begging Bernie to let them back into F1 within three years!! So they can moan all they want about long life components and standard E.C.U.'s etc. Because after 2008 no-one will care if a manufacturer leaves.

rmw77 · Post 04 Feb 2006, 20:12

Hopefully Frank Williams is right and it will end soon so F1 can start racing and keep the politics behind closed doors, be interetesting to see what happens in indy this year will f1 will a success?

LevinXRS · Post 05 Feb 2006, 01:14

Remember the five manufactures have enough money to run a second team. Then we would have ten teams.

manchild · Post 05 Feb 2006, 05:00

Scuderia_Russ wrote:...So they can moan all they want about long life components and standard E.C.U.'s etc. Because after 2008 no-one will care if a manufacturer leaves.

That could be so if Toyota engines weren't in MF1 and with no intention to be in Williams next year. What will happen if after the brake-up Toyota and all other manufacturers stop supplying engines to "independant" teams?

All FIA champ. cars will have Ferrari engines? Even if Cosworth stays with FIA teams Ferrari will dominate the chapionship with no risk because they'd be backed by FIAT which is big car manufacturer and other teams would have to be there just to fill the grid for the sake of min. number of cars required by FIA sporting regualtions (even that could be changed by request

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Toyota is said to be supplying Williams with their engines begining with 2007 so if the break-up occurs than it will leave 2 out of 5 FIA teams without engines while 3 out of 5 will use Ferrari engines (Ferrari, Red Bull and STR).

If that happens I'm sure that Ferrari would be willing to give away their tuned-down engines to all teams and enjoy endless supremacy.

Scuderia_Russ · Post 05 Feb 2006, 11:44

Can you seriously see Toyota leaving before 2012 because I can't. The teams in question could very well run Mercedes, Renault customer engines or revert back to Cosworth quite easily... and didn't you hear Manchild... Ferrari are independent, they aren't backed by F.I.A.T. anymore?

Put it this way... as far as the health of F1 is concerned, I'm not worried.

manchild · Post 05 Feb 2006, 13:43

Toyota is member of GPMA. If brakeaway happens Toyota and any other member of GPMA won't supply engines to teams in Mosley's championship. http://gpma-online.com/index.htm

Ferrari independant?! Is that John Deer logo on their 2006 car's nose?

Perhaps FIAT pays for that ad space