2008 by Mosley

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manchild wrote:Toyota is member of GPMA. If brakeaway happens Toyota and any other member of GPMA won't supply engines to teams in Mosley's championship. http://gpma-online.com/index.htm
Ferrari independant?! Is that John Deer logo on their 2006 car's nose?
Perhaps FIAT pays for that ad space :roll:
Well, according to Mr.Montezemolo, they don't have any money from FIAT for F1... Maybe they have some kind of contract for that logo or something, but that's quite different to Toyota, BMW or Mercedes, don't cha think?
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manchild wrote:Perhaps FIAT pays for that ad space :roll:
That part of my post was tongue in cheek Manchild. All I'm saying is that I would bet my house of the G.P.M.A. not happening. I'd love to know where they are going to fing "the most exciting circuits in the world" from because they won't be allowed to share the ones on the F1 calendar. Maybe there is going to be a high profile race at Donington after all ha-ha :twisted:

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Montezemolo... :^o

They have FIAT logo for alomst 30 years now...what is changed than? They have became self-financing at once and bought off all their actions from FIAT?

Scuderia_Russ, I'm not saying that GMPA championship would be interesting but neither would Mosley's. There would be approximately 5 teams in each and no one would pay to see such racing.

"FIA & Ferrari" championship would be still called F1 but it would be a farce like USA GP 2005.

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Was just reading ITV f1
http://www.itv-f1.com/News_Article.aspx?PO_ID=34990

Looks like They are just ignoring Max (becasue that area is out of his control) and carrying on talks with the brains of the outfit.
Really hope it does get sorted, As people have been saying if it splits both will end up being crap. so they need to find a solution.
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One of my relatives, now retired, worked for his whole career for FIAT and has obviously still many contacts there, he said to me last year : “To say that Ferrari F1 effort is backed by FIAT is idiotic to say the least, if we put together the money Ferrari got from FIAT in the last 10 years we couldn’t pay 1/10 of MS salary for a season.”

Ferrari is a lot more helpful for FIAT than FIAT is for Ferrari, particularly for advertising but not only, for many years Ferrari has been one of the few profitable companies of the FIAT group in the automotive sector.
Remember that the only reason Enzo, with huge financial problems, sold to FIAT in 60s was because Giovanni Agnelli guaranteed to him total control on the racing activity, after Enzo’s death FIAT got control and the results in late 80s -> mid 90s are the proof that it wasn’t a good idea. And in fact the Ferrari team in F1 started to be good again exactly because, with LDM arrival (then Todt etc etc), they became completely independent from both FIAT budget and FIAT control, the former being the key for the latter.
The less interference FIAT has in Ferrari, the better and everybody, both in Ferrari and in Fiat, knows it very well.
manchild wrote: They have became self-financing at once and bought off all their actions from FIAT?
It’s been years now that Ferrari F1 team budget comes solely from Ferrari production cars and sponsors, mainly from Philip Morris (Marlboro) that “owns” the advertising space on almost the whole car (bar few areas for technical partners). This way Ferrari, till 2011 when contract with PM expires, is guaranteed a given amount of money no matter what happens and without having to manage relationship with many sponsors, that is totally up to PM now, they can pay the money entirely or by selling advertising space to other sponsors (incidentally, it’s because of that that Vodafone left for 2007).

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Even if that is so, they are still car manufacturer while Williams isn't. Ferrari simply can't be considered as F1 team and nothing else because they are F1 team of car manufacturing company. Williams is the only f1 specialist - not selling anything, just racing.

Why must politics interfeer in everything?

F1 should be equal for all teams... if being a big car manufacturer was such an advantage than no one could beat Toyota and yet Renault beat them with 3 times smaller budget.

I have nothing agains Ferrari if it respects rules that should be the same for all but if Mosley persits to make regulations in favor of Ferrari, only Ferrari and nothing but Ferrari than they should face with response of F1 fans worldwide.

People don't hate Ferrari but what some individuals do with it, otherwise it wouldn't say "From heroes to zeros". I understnd that you as an Italian must have special feelings for Ferrari but there are many people ex-Ferrari fans who can't look at past decade. For me, there was a big giant cut after season 1995 and no matter how Ferrari logo is the same nothing is the same anymore (1947-1995 Heroes, 1996-2006 Zeros).

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