Mercedes GP MGP W01

[gcdugas]

What were those big triangular bumps in the center of the Mercedes rear wing at Hungary?

[raymondu999]

That McLaren has amazing turn in though, especially in the low speed stuff. Monaco, their nose just turned in SOO well. And it somehow doesn't mind being in traffic too. There is little to no understeer visible in the cars.

[scarbs]

What were those big triangular bumps in the center of the Mercedes rear wing at Hungary?

Those bumps were to the side of a big inlet hole in the middle of the rear wing. This narrow inlet expands inside the wing to feed air a slot across the back of the rear wing. This works around the limit on two wing sections as it makes the wing work like a three section wing. The bumps were just there to guide air into inlet…

I also noticed in hungary Mercedes moved back to their simpler Silverstone spec blown diffuser and not the open fronted blown diffuser raced in Germany (which suffered deformation under the exhaust heat).

http://f1.automoto365.com/news/controll ... s_id=41729

[JohnsonsEvilTwin]

Finally Mercedes give up tuning the Brawn!

http://www.autosport.com/news/report.php/id/85836

This whole episode was bound to happen, Schrempp and Zetsche got a decent team on the cheap, but there is no substitute for cold hard cash.
Brawn didnt have any of this in 2009, and it shows in the "mercedes" Wo1.

What does have me optimistic for 2011 is this:
"We understand what we need to do next year and that is where we are putting our major efforts."

[xpensive]

Come on JET, do your homework, this is simply a 1979 Lotus season again.

[JohnsonsEvilTwin]

Come on JET, do your homework, this is simply a 1979 Lotus season again.

Yea possibly, but the Brawn wasnt the best car throughout the year like Lotus was.
Survival in 09 was paramount. 2010 was a bonus, and it seems as if the w01 was designed as such

[marcush.]

Come on JET, do your homework, this is simply a 1979 Lotus season again.

Yea possibly, but the Brawn wasnt the best car throughout the year like Lotus was.
Survival in 09 was paramount. 2010 was a bonus, and it seems as if the w01 was designed as such

you must be right .I think hammering out the commercial details with something like a OEM for automobiles it is not that easy to get what you think is a fair price.
so maybe Brawn had the 2010 car performance low on his agenda and possibly pointed this out towards Mercedes ....so they cannot really bitch about now...as he ´´d say instantly:told you so.

[JohnsonsEvilTwin]

When you lose 300 staff year on year, this is the effect of that.
Not 1 team in the pit lane would remain static or go forward. You will naturally go backwards.

Im dying to see what Mclaren Ferrari and Red Bull can do with 400 staff.

[Boost]

Lewis has a very similar point the nose into the corner and let the rear slide around style to Schumi and yet he isn't suffering from tyre issues.

Err.. Lewis drives for Vodafone Mclaren Mercedes F1 Team
Schumy drives for Petronas Mercedes GP F1 team

Thats the point. Ross Brawn keeps banging on about the tyres being unsuitable for Schumi's driving style, yet other teams with drivers with a similar style and with the same tyres aren't having any issues.

So either Schumi is so race rusty that he cannot adapt or the Merc is so fundamentally unsuited to his driving style that nothing will change this.

[wesley123]

yes, or the car doesnt suit the tires, like Brawm himself said, wich of the three would be right

[Pierce89]

yes, or the car doesnt suit the tires, like Brawm himself said, wich of the three would be right

I've always thought Brawn could make even a slow car have a decent balance and handle well.This year they're getting beat by cars with less DF and less efficiency because they can't balnce the car or make it handle. It seems like problems with the race crew getting the most of the car(including the driver).At the beginning of the weekend,before everyone get's dialed in, they're quick.Then over the weekend as others hone their setups the Mercs drop like a stone. So,maybe the race engineers could be the problem.

[JohnsonsEvilTwin]

To compare 2 driver styles is one thing.

But to compare the W01 with the MP4-25 and then say Hamilton deals with it "better" is probably the most uninformed comment on this thread.
Sorry to say it as I mean no offence.

The Mclaren has a far better front end, and is far better under braking than the W01.
The difference is very evident in qualifying too, The Mclaren uses its tyres better than the Mercedes and can utilise the harder tyre for longer. Its undisputable.

Now to say Schumacher isnt dealing with it as well as Hamilton is also very inaccurate. Do the machines have the same suspensions? No
Have they similar weight distribution? No
Are the cars remotely similar? Apart from the engine, No

So how on earth can anyone reach this conclusion?

[JohnsonsEvilTwin]

yes, or the car doesnt suit the tires, like Brawm himself said, wich of the three would be right

I've always thought Brawn could make even a slow car have a decent balance and handle well.This year they're getting beat by cars with less DF and less efficiency because they can't balnce the car or make it handle. It seems like problems with the race crew getting the most of the car(including the driver).At the beginning of the weekend,before everyone get's dialed in, they're quick.Then over the weekend as others hone their setups the Mercs drop like a stone. So,maybe the race engineers could be the problem.

The reason in my opinion, is not that they "dial" in quickly. They use less fuel than anyone else in FP1 and FP2. Probably around 5% less fuel than those around them.

[Pierce89]

yes, or the car doesnt suit the tires, like Brawm himself said, wich of the three would be right

I've always thought Brawn could make even a slow car have a decent balance and handle well.This year they're getting beat by cars with less DF and less efficiency because they can't balnce the car or make it handle. It seems like problems with the race crew getting the most of the car(including the driver).At the beginning of the weekend,before everyone get's dialed in, they're quick.Then over the weekend as others hone their setups the Mercs drop like a stone. So,maybe the race engineers could be the problem.

The reason in my opinion, is not that they "dial" in quickly. They use less fuel than anyone else in FP1 and FP2. Probably around 5% less fuel than those around them.

I don't think they dial in quickly. I mean they're competitive when noone is handling well at the start of weekend. Then as everyone gets their cars handling Merc can't.

[JohnsonsEvilTwin]

Pierce

Like I said, Mercedes will probably underfuel their cars during FP1 and 2 to get their headline times. Then once FP3 starts the problem begins because the fuel level rises and the car behaves differently. Whereas the majority of teams arent looking at times, they are looking at set up.

Its an especially effective ploy for teams who are struggling, and relatively speaking Mercedes are struggling.

At hungary we saw a change of tack by Mercedes. They got so fed up of "not knowing" where they went wrong on previous weekends, they had 2 different set ups on their cars. They also had a generous portion of fuel aboard during FP1 and FP2 to run back to back tests on their updates. Schumacher actually volunteered to guinea pig, big kudos to him for this. Lo and Behold Mercedes had a poor FP1 and FP2, but managed to find a set up for Rosberg who qualified 6th.

So there is a semblance of Progress, just that they are using a trial and error format during GP weekends. As of Hungary, Mercedes and Brawn have shifted focus to 2011.