Mercedes GP MGP W01

[JohnsonsEvilTwin]

So then what you are saying if it aint broke, dont fix it.

Which means then that changing the wing when the nose is the problem would be resource suicide. Why change somthing that works right?

[Mandrake]

With Heidfeld being the Pirelli Test driver now, might there be some knowledge transfer to MGP that helps them not to make the same mistakes again?

I certainly began to smile when I read it's going be Heidfeld

[Giblet]

He has been released from MGP. He is no longer part of the team and a free agent now, so any information transfer would be pointless for him and his career.

[Mandrake]

Well, you never know what's going on in the background

Atm I do not see Heidfeld returning in 2011 (well maybe now he will be more popular being the Pirelli Testdriver) so a little extra cash or at least keeping contact with MGP could do for him (MSC won't be there forever)

[mep]

What is so hard in building a new lighter spliter?
Sounds very easy when you can solve your problems with that.

yes and then you still got to move the weight backwards, wich is the problem.

As Wesley said.

When you optimize car for a certain weight distribution, having to change the front splitter weight and --- it backwards into a compact and tight rear can be an issue.
This can be overcome, but what about the aero balance?
This then needs to be changed.
And what you are left with is a compromised car.

Moving the weight to the rear is the target. At least someone you said so.
So you take out the weight on the front and place it in the rear.
I am sure they will find a place for it. Otherwise this car would be really crap.
Other teams can do the same thing. It is reasonable that smaller front tires will cause more rear weight bias so they need to take this into account when designing the car.

by JET
That front splitter is the heaviest in the paddock according to Scarbs, it retains the characteristics of the BGP 001 with forward biased weight distribution, allied to a very compact rear end.

Meaning weight transfer to the rear would be very difficult, and would require tungsten components or parts in places where performance could be hampered(suspension components etc).
And crucially, the aero balance would need to change, more rear wing to balance the weight transfer, which explains the slow straightline speeds of the W01.

When they really have more front weight bias then they need to have more wings on the front now. Maybe they dont move the weight more to the rear because they lack rear downforve even with a high angled rear wing.
In the end all this sounds like lame excuses for a bad car.

Edit: Well they dont need excuses because they won last year WC and didn't spent their limited resources on this years car. They just need to be honest about this point and do better next year.

[segedunum]

With Heidfeld being the Pirelli Test driver now, might there be some knowledge transfer to MGP that helps them not to make the same mistakes again?

It certainly wouldn't surprise me if Mercedes, Brawn and Schumacher tried to get as much feedback from and through him as possible with the tyres. Schumacher doesn't adapt to tyres, they adapt to him. He's not about to change now.

Getting a jump with these new tyres is possibly the best opportunity they have for next year.

[marcush.]

offtopic and irrelevant for MGP01

[wesley123]

What is so hard in building a new lighter spliter?
Sounds very easy when you can solve your problems with that.

yes and then you still got to move the weight backwards, wich is the problem.

As Wesley said.

When you optimize car for a certain weight distribution, having to change the front splitter weight and --- it backwards into a compact and tight rear can be an issue.
This can be overcome, but what about the aero balance?
This then needs to be changed.
And what you are left with is a compromised car.

Moving the weight to the rear is the target. At least someone you said so.
So you take out the weight on the front and place it in the rear.
I am sure they will find a place for it. Otherwise this car would be really crap.
Other teams can do the same thing. It is reasonable that smaller front tires will cause more rear weight bias so they need to take this into account when designing the car.

If it was so easy to fix it, dont you think it was already fixed by now? Seriously, it is easy to say 'you should put weight in the back' but you can hardly drop an piece of tungsten on the rear wing because you want rearward balance?

[mep]

First of all it's not me who thinks that.
JohnsonsEvilTwin said this.

Second, of course you dont put in on rear wing but there are plenty of possibilities on the floor, gearbox or what ever.
They managed to do it on the front so they can also do it in the rear.
How do you think other teams do it?
Why can they do it and Mercedes not?
If you cant even place some tungsten on the rear of a car you dont deserve to win a GP.
Especially not when everybody else can do it.

[JohnsonsEvilTwin]

The problem mep is that the car had a forward biased weight distribution, they made the rears as small as possible.
But the problem is when you shift the weight rearwards you spoil aero dynamic balance too.
So they may have solved the distribution problem, but this has problems has a knock on effect to the rest of the aero.

A mire of deep proportions.

[aral]

The problem mep is that the car had a forward biased weight distribution, they made the rears as small as possible.
But the problem is when you shift the weight rearwards you spoil aero dynamic balance too.
So they may have solved the distribution problem, but this has problems has a knock on effect to the rest of the aero.

A mire of deep proportions.

None of that explains why Rosberg has no problem. He runs with the same aero. Or maybe he does suffer but is able to drive around the prblem. Schumacher used to be able to drive around a problem, but now he is stymied.

[JohnsonsEvilTwin]

None of that explains why Rosberg has no problem. He runs with the same aero. Or maybe he does suffer but is able to drive around the prblem. Schumacher used to be able to drive around a problem, but now he is stymied.

gilgen look at the difference in time between the two. Hardly a light year eh?
Fact is Schumacher is actually very close in lap times to Rosberg as Marcush will testify.

The drivers isnt the issue, the car is.

[aral]

None of that explains why Rosberg has no problem. He runs with the same aero. Or maybe he does suffer but is able to drive around the prblem. Schumacher used to be able to drive around a problem, but now he is stymied.

gilgen look at the difference in time between the two. Hardly a light year eh?
Fact is Schumacher is actually very close in lap times to Rosberg as Marcush will testify.

The drivers isnt the issue, the car is.

Look at the vast difference in experience. And the fact that Rosberg has finished far, far better than Schumacher, shows that it is not entirely the car. But I do agree that there is a problem with the car. This is caused by a team that seems to have lost its way.

[strad]

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[Giblet]

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Nick was released from MGP, and is no longer contractually obligated to them.

Everything and anything else is conjecture and has no basis in fact. NH has only been with them for one year, what would he have to gain by sharing info with his old team that he barely got to turn a wheel with?

Brawn/MGP can't make their tires work with heaps and loads of advanced tire data while having a representative they can contact for tire issues withing Bridgestone.

You really think that NH could offer them anything that they could actually use?