Suzuki unveils Super Aguri F1 team

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fwa2500
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theres a bit of a problem with you using the Zero as the plane.......the Zero was a good plane.......


but still....give them a chance.....being the new Minardi will still be better than the new Andrea Moda :lol: :roll: :wink:

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vyselegend wrote: Yes I have to agree. It's not like if everybody on this forum were hating Sato for free.
Come on, we can do better than that. I find hard to hate an F-1 driver. :)

I strongly feel that Sato's mistakes were just mistakes. I do not think you could seriously feel he did them on purpose. Yes, he can be dangerous because he make more mistakes, but everybody knows it. DaveKillens said "capable of that". But he is trying, I bet... :D

Besides, you could say that Suzuki is a smart man that probably is trying to maximize his income. The F1 Japan market could be huge.

Finally, you have to recognize that every country, in the beginning, is "guilty" of using its best present pilots to promote the future champions. I could only wish that some Colombian entrepreneurs were doing the same thing...
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maybe you are right Ciro Pabón and i dont think anybody is saying that sato does all those things on purpose but the fact remains that the lad has not shown a single reponsible drive in the 2005 season. the only think worth appreciating would be his qualifying lap in monza (which was still beaten by button). i dont think he is constantly using his mind while driving. one has to be constantly calculating which i dont see in sato. he cant handle many things in the cockpit. if he has to overtake somebody, he will just think about getting an open window and not using his brain to really think about his nect move. i have not been able to put this into words well but i hope you can understand what i mean.
But this doesnt mean that he doesnt know how to drive, he is a good driver, either not intelligent enough or unable to do multitasking

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I don't hate Sato at all, I only think that all Japanese drivers have philosophical problem in approach to racing. They seam to understand racing as "do or die" kind of competition in which they burn out, make reckless moves or discard tactics and most of all - “the big picture".

Sato isn’t at all as reckless as some drivers like Ralf or Barichello for example. Just looks at the statistics and count how may accidents those two caused in 2000’s.
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manchild, ralf1 and rubens did do a lot of accidents, i agree but they dont do it regularly. In 51 GP starts, Sato has made atleast 28 major errors in qualifying, race or practice. That is more than one every two starts. I dont think stats like this prove that sato is worth an estimated 200 million USD investment put into Super Aguri.
And i think you are right about the do or die aspect of it.

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Ciro Pabón wrote:
vyselegend wrote: Yes I have to agree. It's not like if everybody on this forum were hating Sato for free.
Come on, we can do better than that. I find hard to hate an F-1 driver. :)

I strongly feel that Sato's mistakes were just mistakes. I do not think you could seriously feel he did them on purpose. Yes, he can be dangerous because he make more mistakes, but everybody knows it. DaveKillens said "capable of that". But he is trying, I bet... :D

Besides, you could say that Suzuki is a smart man that probably is trying to maximize his income. The F1 Japan market could be huge.

Finally, you have to recognize that every country, in the beginning, is "guilty" of using its best present pilots to promote the future champions. I could only wish that some Colombian entrepreneurs were doing the same thing...
Yes, I admit the word "hating" is exagerated. I just lack english vocabulary (doesn't even know is the word vocabulary exists :oops: ). What I was meaning is that there is an obvious complaint about Sato's behavior in races from formula 1 fans, and I feel like this too. I think ketanpaul said what I'm actually thinking in a most comprhensive way. Sometime it looks like this guy drive in the real world as I do in videogames, as if there was no real consequences. I don't say he makes that kind of mistakes on purpose, but that he seem not to feel concerned whith safety. For him, its his problem, but if he harms another driver, it should be another deal. I hope I have explained myself better this time :wink:

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I actually have a soft spot in my heart for Sato, I was enthusiastically cheering for him when at Suzuka, probably his greatest drive. But I have seen in him great lapses of judgement, for instance Monaco. He was spewing clouds of white smoke out his engine, everyone knew it was going to expire very quickly, yet he persisted on. The result was an accident that took other cars out.
He seems incapable of "doing the right thing".

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I have been lurking for a while now, but I felt I should make my first post. I think it will be nice to have SA join the F1 fold. Thier entry, although rushed, will sure be interesting, using the Honda engine and all. No one has really seen how the new aero package will work out, and who knows, there could be some intereting racing. Tako is always interesting to watch. He does take risks, and not always smart ones. I also think it is a mistake not to bring a 3rd car. While they could use all the extra testing, my biggest concern is that, in only bringing two cars, what happens when Tako cracks one up during practice?

I think this is Looking like an interesting year in F1, already.

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I agree with Davekillens, I too have a soft spot for Sato. Taku is a fast driver...no more than that though, not brilliant, just fast. But he does seem a little too egar to impress..this causes him to push harder than he is capable of doing and he then crashes...this drives him to try harder next time, and he crashes again...its a cycle.

I hope that he calms down, becuase, with regards to outright speed, he is just what a team like SA need....as long as he keeps the car ON the track!

With regards to the team, I have a soft spot for them too...they really are the new minardi for me, slow, low budget, hanging by a thread...but they have soooo much passion for what they are trying to do...they truley deserve support. They just want to race.

Midland on the other hand, I have no time for, I seem them as cold, shut-out, and without true passion for F1. F1 is mearly an investment for them. One could argue that is the ame for manufactuer teams...but many of them (Toyota, Honda, Renault, FIAT, BMW, Mercedes, Ford) they all have rich motorsporting hertitage...and that is where their own passion for the sport derives from.

If anything I'd like to see SA racing wheel-to-wheel with MF1...and beating them! :lol:
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The fact is they certainly can't afford a third car. everybody agree to say it's allready amazing they could have two operational cars in such a short time. And it's like they obviously focus all their efforts in developping the new car (I think the target is to have it ready for monaco), so they probably doesn't even try to make a third one for the new chassis. It will surely cost'em a lot, but they have nothing to lose after all.

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Correction: the SA06 is due to show up at the nurburgring

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Bear in mind though, Schuky has pulled some astonishing moves in his time, but he seems to have settled down, for now.

Sato could surprise, although I reakon Ide will finish more races in one piece.
He just needs 1.
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