Mercedes GP MGP W01

[747heavy]

not a F1 car but a study of an Gr.6 sports car in the mid 1970`s looking into the technology as well.

Wow, P34 type front arrangement?
Can you add any more info on this one?

sorry not much I can add to it.
It was a project of Vaclav Kral from the Czech republic.
As far as I know, it was never built or raced, but he used the idea in his "Formula Easter" (similar to F3 in Eastern Europe) race car.


And this is the first real race car to make use of this principle.
It is the MTX 104/5 'Formula Easter' with a Lada 1300-engine!

[aral]

for a quick recoup this is worth a read.

http://scarbsf1.wordpress.com/2010/06/2 ... diffusers/

it was used during the 1980´s with the turbo cars, and lately in the McLaren MP-15

not a F1 car but a study of an Gr.6 sports car in the late 1970`s looking into the technology as well.



Very interesting. Thanks for that. It is surprising that this device had not been overly in use before. It is interesting to read that Ferrari went away from it, and developed the periscope exhausts. At the time, the periscopes must have been producing an improvement.

Picture 2: KIN-project: Group 6 sportscar.
1* Wing car profile
2* Special radiator
3* Exhaust pipe
4* Venturi

[JohnsonsEvilTwin]

Compare the W01 in forward area, to any other F1 car.
Compare the W01 in rear area, to any other F1 car.

I would say that the W01's problem is almost "visible"

[volarchico]

Umm...JET, I think you got caught red-handed. Do you have a link to the picture instead?

[JohnsonsEvilTwin]

Umm...JET, I think you got caught red-handed. Do you have a link to the picture instead?

That'll teach me. This is the next best pic I could find. But the empahsis of the design is very evident from aerial shots.

[raymondu999]

I think what JET means is that the front is visibly heavier than the rears, and that's why they have such a bad weight distribution problem. Going by that logic though, wouldn't the Red Bull do much worse?

[Morteza]

Red Bull looks much rounder in the rear.

[JohnsonsEvilTwin]

I think the RB6 looks as though it carries more weight over the rear.

[ringo]

The W01 needs to be looked at from the side to see the bulk.
The driver positioning among other things is wrong. The aerodynamic centre could also be rearward of the C.O.G. that they use in an attempt to mitigate the tyre problem.
All problems seem to point at the incompetence of the engineers. The know how to build a car, but they don't know how design one to an objective. Or at least they can't do it as well as the other teams.
Even the lotus and virgin are better cars. Reason being, they were designed much later and they behave as predicted from their simulations. That shows the engineers design towards an objective and that objective was met in the real world.

This car now, it's funny how the problems slipped under the radar; engineers are to be blamed.

[JohnsonsEvilTwin]

Even the lotus and virgin are better cars.

Im afraid I have to disagree with every fibre of my body.....

[Byronrhys]

Well I agree for what they are, the Lotus is a better car but overall no.

[ringo]

Even the lotus and virgin are better cars.

Im afraid I have to disagree with every fibre of my body.....

Obviously when it comes to performance rhe W01 is way better.
But looking at the budget of virgin, time constraint and their correlation between simulation and reality, that car is a more successful design than the W01, and this is from a purely engineering stand point.
The lotus was designed to be ahead of the new teams, it succeeded.
The virgin was designed to be within a certain % of pole lap and also to prove that CFD can compete with wind tunnel cars, it succeeded.
The W01 was designed to compete at the top and win races, it failed.
Different level of expecations, but the W01 failed to meet it's own.

[dren]

Performance wise the Mercedes is clearly better than the Virgin and Lotus, not because of money, but because of a better design. Money is just a means to better tools which aid in designing. The engineers do the designing. Mercedes engineers designed a better car. That doesn't necessarilly mean the engineers are better.

[wesley123]

what i noticed on the tub us that the underside is shaped quite weird, there just seems to be cut out an piece and that was placed on top, the shape there isnt clean.

Overall you cannot point out an clear error, the car is not right at all.

[i70q7m7ghw]

I personally feel Merc would be better going back to last years car as a base, and trying again evolve the design for the new tyre sizes and now the new Pirelli tyres.

They got this years car wrong, I think they openly admit that, so why try and fix it when last years car is probably a better starting point.