kimi is the best

ketanpaul · Post 14 Mar 2006, 11:18

I would put Nico and Kimi in the same group. Both can race like a walk in the park, both are fighters and never give up till the end, and both take down the car in front like a daddy. I have seen his GP2 races and Nico is really the next Kimi. The best part? he's just 20 !!!

vas · Post 14 Mar 2006, 11:23

ketanpaul wrote:I would put Nico and Kimi in the same group. Both can race like a walk in the park, both are fighters and never give up till the end, and both take down the car in front like a daddy. I have seen his GP2 races and Nico is really the next Kimi. The best part? he's just 20 !!!

U R right!

joseff · Post 14 Mar 2006, 16:43

But does anyone remember Kimi's debut year at Sauber? He went off the road as often as Massa did the following year. At the end of 2001 I was one of those scratching their heads why Ron didn't take Heidfeld instead, the more experienced, faster, and more consistend Sauber racer of the two.

Given the chance, I'm sure Quick Nick is at least as good. See him outperform Mark Webber last year.

ss.vamsikrishna · Post 15 Mar 2006, 05:48

please manchild dont compare kimi with Fisi DNF, Villeneuve DNF, and massa ..........kimi is different league man...........
and vas nice to see a great kimi fan like u
kimi can always finish at podium irrespective of whereever he starts
...........

rsfocus · Post 15 Mar 2006, 06:10

kimi does a brilliant job, he is getting pretty used to starting at the back though. i am a huge fan of his, he drives until the car stops. look at the nurburgring last year, none of this driving for points, it was the win or nothing! brilliant, we need more like him. driving the 3 wheel mclaren at bahrain was brilliant too. i guess just hoping that the crew might have been able to fix it. or less of a walk home.

go kimi, it is about time to be wc

peroa · Post 15 Mar 2006, 07:36

joseff wrote:But does anyone remember Kimi's debut year at Sauber? He went off the road as often as Massa did the following year. At the end of 2001 I was one of those scratching their heads why Ron didn't take Heidfeld instead, the more experienced, faster, and more consistend Sauber racer of the two.

Given the chance, I'm sure Quick Nick is at least as good. See him outperform Mark Webber last year.

I`m sure you can give us a few examples of that claim...

schumiGO · Post 15 Mar 2006, 08:21

Mates. Who knows why kimi had accident in qual.
According to F1.com Kimi had problem with lower wishbone and factory mistake....

http://www.formula1.com/race/technical_ ... 1/250.html

But in Gazzetta dello Sport in video zone there is video about Kimi accident and men said thet rear pushrod was broken in point where it connected to rocerarm by exhaust system...

http://mediacenter.gazzetta.it/MediaCen ... ion/player

So... who knows the truth?

peroa · Post 15 Mar 2006, 09:52

If there was an issue with exhaust gases damaging the pushrod, they wouldn`t finish the race, wouldn`t they, and it would have shown earlier in testing.

Scuderia_Russ · Post 15 Mar 2006, 11:37

joseff wrote:But does anyone remember Kimi's debut year at Sauber? He went off the road as often as Massa did the following year. At the end of 2001 I was one of those scratching their heads why Ron didn't take Heidfeld instead, the more experienced, faster, and more consistend Sauber racer of the two.

Raikkonen wasn't all over the place in 2001, and he obviously did something right to be driving for McLaren in his second year of F1! The difference between Heidfeld and Raikkonen was that Raikkonen was performing like that and matching Heidfeld after only one season of F3 or something stupid. Heidfeld not only had tested with McLaren but had two years of F1 experience which makes Raikkonens achievements (including a fourth place at one point) even more remarkable.

joseff · Post 15 Mar 2006, 11:48

peroa wrote:
joseff wrote:But does anyone remember Kimi's debut year at Sauber? He went off the road as often as Massa did the following year. At the end of 2001 I was one of those scratching their heads why Ron didn't take Heidfeld instead, the more experienced, faster, and more consistend Sauber racer of the two.

Given the chance, I'm sure Quick Nick is at least as good. See him outperform Mark Webber last year.
I`m sure you can give us a few examples of that claim...

My pleasure.

2001 season AUS MYS BRA SMR ESP AUT MON CAN EUR FRA GBR DEU HUN BEL ITA USA JPN Points
#16 Heidfeld 4 Ret 3 7 6 9 Ret Ret Ret 6 6 Ret 6 Ret 11 6 9 12
#17 Raikkonen 6 Ret Ret Ret 8 4 10 4 10 7 5 Ret 7 Ret 7 Ret Ret 9

2005 season AUS MYS BHR SMR ESP MCO EUR CAN USA FRA GBR DEU HUN TUR ITA BEL BRA JPN CHN Points
#7 Webber 5 Ret 6 7 6 3 Ret 5 Ret 12 11 Ret 7 Ret 14 4 NC 4 7 34
#8 Heidfeld Ret 3 Ret 6 10 2 2 Ret Ret 14 12 11 6 Ret INJ INJ INJ INJ INJ 28

Up to his "injury", Nick had 28 points and Mark 22.

Sorry for the retarded table.

peroa · Post 15 Mar 2006, 13:36

And he drove off the track or spun everytime he retired, like Massa?

You are kidding, right?

joseff · Post 15 Mar 2006, 16:37

Indeed, Ron spotted a real talent. I'm just pointing out that he made rookie mistakes in his rookie year. Heck, even our darling Nico Rosberg went off the track during the most crucial moments of qualifying.

peroa: Get your facts straight. I never claimed he went off the track to _retire_ all the time. What I said was: "Heidfeld is the more experienced, faster, and more consistent." And that "He outperformed Mark Webber". The results are consistent with both observation.

He's brilliant, but he was once a rookie, making rookie mistakes.

peroa · Post 15 Mar 2006, 17:38

My facts for you:

Code: Select all

	   KR	                                     NH               
AUS   p6					              p4               
MAL	transmission                   spun             
BRA	spun                           p3               
SAN	steering                       p7               
SPA	p8                             p6               
AUT	p4	                          p9               
MON	p10                            collision        
CAN	p4	                          collision-got hit
EUR	p10                            transmission     
FRA   p7                             p6               
GBR	p5                             p6               
GER	transmission                   collision        
HUN	p7                             p6               
BEL	did not start, transmission    collision        
ITA	p7                             p11              
USA	transmission                   p6               
JAP	steering                       p9

Hmmm, who would you say was the rookie driver if I didn`t write the names?

joseff · Post 15 Mar 2006, 18:05

... [cut]

I stand by my opinion that as a rookie, he made rookie mistakes. If you have a different opinion, I guess we'll have to agree to disagree.

Post 15 Mar 2006, 18:42

Well I must say that KR didn't attract my attention in his rookie year. Ok not a bad driver (particularly because of not having driven a lot in other series), but it came to my surprise when he went to McLaren.

At the moment I must admit he is very fast, but from time to time I think he is pushing too much, like a maniac while he should also learn to know that car failure happens from time to time.