HRT F111 Cosworth

[cbbcisace]

I thought that HRT might have actually done some work this season, and got a car together and tested it, but it's looking like it did last year. Unless they're designing some kind of super F1 car, they're going to be trudging around at the back again. Not that anything else was expected from them.

Have you not seen any of the HRT news recently? Hispania's new car will be ready for the final test where ever that will be!

That's all well and good, but I think they should have been there for the previous tests, to get more data and fix problems before they occur in the season.

I think ESP above mentioned HRT are using the 2011 rear end in this test to gain data on the Pirelli for next year.

[JGomezH]

They are testing with an interim car called F110plus.
The main change is the Williams package at rear.

[King Six]

It's still pushrod, though. So it's the 2010 Williams box and not this crazy invisible 2011 box they're using. Or maybe even the 2009 box.

[cbbcisace]

They are testing with an interim car called F110plus.
The main change is the Williams package at rear.

Is there any other improvements on this car from 2010 F110.. I'm very impressed by the stability and reliability of the car thats being tested at the moment.

[sticky667]

no reason to be surprised by reliability. they had that last year and thus finished 11th ahead of the unreliable Virgin.

so far, so good. things are looking up for the squad. no major mechanical woes and lots of miles!

Narain says Liuzzi is giving the car new life already too.

His potential team-mate Narain Karthikeyan reckoned Liuzzi had made a big difference to the team in just one day of testing.

"The car has improved a lot, there is much more front grip," said the Indian.

"Tonio's feedback has definitely helped the front end of the car and we were able to clock a pretty decent time in the end."

[Pierce89]

It's still pushrod, though. So it's the 2010 Williams box and not this crazy invisible 2011 box they're using. Or maybe even the 2009 box.

It would be 2010 box. That's the one designed for the Cosworth. Just a humble guess.

[nacho]

By changing the rear-end for the old car, have they also changed the floor to match the 2011 regulations?

Judging from Narain's comment it sounds like they could really benefit from having an experienced and fast driver.

[ESPImperium]

I think that Hispania will take Liuzzi as they need a driver thats not only experienced, but knows what a modren F1 car should handle like, and thus improve the team. Liuzzi now needs paid off from Force India, whitch will be arround €2m from what i can gather, this will be enough to keep him happy for 2011, he has a couple of sponsors as well, they should be able to give the Hispania team up to a maximum €3m. Hispania were wanting €10m for the seat, but cannot get this money, id recon they would be daft not to recruit Liuzzi as with him he will provide their engineers with alot of technichal feedback that can improve the car.

Id expect Hispania to announce their lineup this week, whitch will pretty much be Liuzzi/Karthikeyan as race drivers and Mondini as their Test & Reserve driver.

[cbbcisace]

ESP.

Does Mondini have sponsorship money with him as well, there was rumours that Hispania had some Swiss sponsors/finances in place and I was wondering if that is why Mondini is being lined up for the reserve role?

[ESPImperium]

Id recon that he will bring arround €1m to €1.5m tops. But am not familure with him per-se.

[dice782]

http://www.autosport.com/news/report.php/id/89619.

It’s a really interesting interview with Colin Kolles especially the part where he says he cannot explain why the HRT F110 improved in speed over last season despite there being no developments.

Lmfao the other part about other teams having 3rd rate drivers!

[marcush.]

kolles is really some guy...I have heard his father is even more shrewed..
To dish out somethiong like this is really cool and it will be well received by Mr.Gascoyne and Mr. Wirth..
I had this idea last year already and it looks like HRT was not developing their car at all -bar the Gearbox /Hydraulics wich were looked after by X-trac personel.
This casts some doubt not only over the general idea of development by upgrading your package in these days but also over the claims forwarded by teams of how much gain was made over the year as Kolles stated the gap did not increase during the season .They had some venues where they had not the right Aero package but apart from that after getting to terms with their car it was a case of constant percentage they lost to the front...with an aero package which was still launch spec not intended to even race...and a car that was classified unworthy not Formula 1 standard by Willis....

[bill shoe]

Great comments from Kolles about catching up toward the rest of the field last year with literally no new parts. This also reminds me of Mercedes last year-- they quit all new parts development relatively early in the season and then proceeded to gradually qualify and race higher for the rest of the year.

marcush, I agree with your doubt about development gains but I think you are too mild.

There is something very wrong with current F1 in-season development!!!

I think in-season aero development at a typical well-funded F1 team is largely a frantic masturbatory excercise to create new aerodynamic "upgrades" and "steps" that give small aero improvements. Meanwhile, the fundamentals of car setup never get the attention or time to be optimized in general, much less optimized for each new aero step. The teams say they "gained two tenths" from the latest step and this is true from an aero point of view but they ignore the cost of having non-optimized suspension setup for this step. The net result is almost no gain, or quite plausibly a negative gain based on HRT/Mercedes evidence.

GP2 teams obviously have no new aero parts during a season so they develop the hell out of the setup and make steady net gains over time.

This is a general theme that DaveW has pointed out on several occasions but I think the evidence of HRT and Mercedes make this clear even if you don't have the insider perspective or experience of a DaveW.

[Keir]

Great comments from Kolles about catching up toward the rest of the field last year with literally no new parts. This also reminds me of Mercedes last year-- they quit all new parts development relatively early in the season and then proceeded to gradually qualify and race higher for the rest of the year.

marcush, I agree with your doubt about development gains but I think you are too mild.

There is something very wrong with current F1 in-season development!!!

I think in-season aero development at a typical well-funded F1 team is largely a frantic masturbatory excercise to create new aerodynamic "upgrades" and "steps" that give small aero improvements. Meanwhile, the fundamentals of car setup never get the attention or time to be optimized in general, much less optimized for each new aero step. The teams say they "gained two tenths" from the latest step and this is true from an aero point of view but they ignore the cost of having non-optimized suspension setup for this step. The net result is almost no gain, or quite plausibly a negative gain based on HRT/Mercedes evidence.

GP2 teams obviously have no new aero parts during a season so they develop the hell out of the setup and make steady net gains over time.

This is a general theme that DaveW has pointed out on several occasions but I think the evidence of HRT and Mercedes make this clear even if you don't have the insider perspective or experience of a DaveW.

It could be argued that another example of this was the Torro Rosso team in 2008. They didn't take on all of the upgrades available from Red Bull Technology, rather they concentrated on optimising the package by putting together the right subset of developments to allow a benign, pointy car that the drivers felt confident pushing with.

[ESPImperium]

Great comments from Kolles about catching up toward the rest of the field last year with literally no new parts. This also reminds me of Mercedes last year-- they quit all new parts development relatively early in the season and then proceeded to gradually qualify and race higher for the rest of the year.

marcush, I agree with your doubt about development gains but I think you are too mild.

There is something very wrong with current F1 in-season development!!!

I think in-season aero development at a typical well-funded F1 team is largely a frantic masturbatory excercise to create new aerodynamic "upgrades" and "steps" that give small aero improvements. Meanwhile, the fundamentals of car setup never get the attention or time to be optimized in general, much less optimized for each new aero step. The teams say they "gained two tenths" from the latest step and this is true from an aero point of view but they ignore the cost of having non-optimized suspension setup for this step. The net result is almost no gain, or quite plausibly a negative gain based on HRT/Mercedes evidence.

GP2 teams obviously have no new aero parts during a season so they develop the hell out of the setup and make steady net gains over time.

This is a general theme that DaveW has pointed out on several occasions but I think the evidence of HRT and Mercedes make this clear even if you don't have the insider perspective or experience of a DaveW.

It could be argued that another example of this was the Torro Rosso team in 2008. They didn't take on all of the upgrades available from Red Bull Technology, rather they concentrated on optimising the package by putting together the right subset of developments to allow a benign, pointy car that the drivers felt confident pushing with.

Honda 2007/2008 as well. Not to mention post Silverstone 2009 Brawn as well when they didn't have the money to develop the car.

Williams are a team that are doing the same as well, in the past few seasons as well, especially. 2009 when they started to run out of aero development money. Im sure 2009 saw McLaren and Ferrari do the same early season before they got their DDDs.